Why have the Chinese and the Pakistani leaders visited Tehran and Riyadh recently? Is this a coordinated Pak-China effort for regional peace and economic growth? Would it help broker peace in the Gulf and the Middle East regions? Can the two nations pull off a miracle here?
Viewpoint From Overseas host Faraz Darvesh discusses these and other questions with panelists Misbah Azam and Riaz Haq (www.riazhaq.com)
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The issues between India and Pakistan are unlikely to be resolved. Pakistan with Kashmir in mind comes to the table with an ideological decree based on religion while India rejects any ideological stance.
Look at discussions on your blog. You and other Pakistanis have diametrically opposing views from the Indian arguments that you do allow on your blog.
Talks will go on forever and never will India give up Jammu and Kashmir because it belongs in India.
Better to start trade and leave all that aside. The inter country commerce can boost Pakistan GDP by 1% while India's benefit will be 0.25%. Many economists reckon.
Nigel: "The issues between India and Pakistan are unlikely to be resolved. Pakistan with Kashmir in mind comes to the table with an ideological decree based on religion while India rejects any ideological stance."
This is an incorrect assessment given the fact that leaders both India and Pakistan have recently said they came very close to a deal during Musharraf years. Ex India RAW Chief AS Dulat has said this, so has Manmohan Singh. The Musharraf formula is still there for both to come together on as soon as Modi realizes the need to get to a resolution.
"This is an incorrect assessment given the fact that leaders both India and Pakistan have recently said they came very close to a deal during Musharraf years. "
That deal was agreeing to convert LOC as border and maintain status quo after that.
I am not sure Pak will be happy with that.
Anon: " That deal was agreeing to convert LOC as border and maintain status quo after that.
I am not sure Pak will be happy with that."
The Musharraf formula envisions soft or porous borders in Kashmir with freedom of movement for the Kashmiris; exceptional autonomy or "self-governance" within each region of Kashmir; phased demilitarization of all regions; and finally, a "joint supervisory mechanism," with representatives from India, Pakistan and all parts of Kashmir, to oversee the plan’s implementation.
Then there is that problem, in Pakistan, who makes big foreign policy decisions. Would it be Nawaz Sharif and his government or the Military. India will shut everything down if there is cross border terrorism and if there is peace would it not diminish the power of the Pakistan Military?
Nigel: "Then there is that problem, in Pakistan, who makes big foreign policy decisions. Would it be Nawaz Sharif and his government or the Military. India will shut everything down if there is cross border terrorism and if there is peace would it not diminish the power of the Pakistan Military?"
Who do you think makes foreign policy decisions? Is it the prime minster?
Indian security analysts and politicians regularly blame Pakistan for the failure of past bilateral diplomatic efforts by citing what they believe is the adverse role of Pakistani military in framing Pakistan's policy toward India. This rationale, however, does not explain why the diplomatic initiatives undertaken by Pakistani military leaders from General Zia to General Musharraf have not borne fruit.
A more rational explanation for the policy failures surfaced in secret US embassy cables leaked by Wikileaks and published by The Hindu. After a meeting with India's National Security Adviser and former Indian intelligence chief M.K. Narayanan in August 2009, American Ambassador Timothy Roemer concluded that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was isolated within his own government in his “great belief” in talks and negotiations with Pakistan.
Roemer said that although Narayanan's hawkish stance on Pakistan was well known, his willingness to “distance himself from his boss (Manmohan Singh) in an initial courtesy call would suggest that PM Singh is more isolated than we thought within his own inner circle in his effort to "trust but verify" and pursue talks with Pakistan particularly in the wake of the hammering his government took from opposition for the July Sharm al-Sheikh statement with (Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza) Gilani.”
http://www.riazhaq.com/2011/03/india-pakistan-cricket-diplomacy-at.html
Nigel: "Then there is that problem, in Pakistan, who makes big foreign policy decisions. Would it be Nawaz Sharif and his government or the Military."
Who do you think makes foreign policy decisions? Is it the prime minster?
Indian security analysts and politicians regularly blame Pakistan for the failure of past bilateral diplomatic efforts by citing what they believe is the adverse role of Pakistani military in framing Pakistan's policy toward India. This rationale, however, does not explain why the diplomatic initiatives undertaken by Pakistani military leaders from General Zia to General Musharraf have not borne fruit.
A more rational explanation for the policy failures surfaced in secret US embassy cables leaked by Wikileaks and published by The Hindu. After a meeting with India's National Security Adviser and former Indian intelligence chief M.K. Narayanan in August 2009, American Ambassador Timothy Roemer concluded that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was isolated within his own government in his “great belief” in talks and negotiations with Pakistan.
Roemer said that although Narayanan's hawkish stance on Pakistan was well known, his willingness to “distance himself from his boss (Manmohan Singh) in an initial courtesy call would suggest that PM Singh is more isolated than we thought within his own inner circle in his effort to "trust but verify" and pursue talks with Pakistan particularly in the wake of the hammering his government took from opposition for the July Sharm al-Sheikh statement with (Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza) Gilani.”
http://www.riazhaq.com/2011/03/india-pakistan-cricket-diplomacy-at.html
Nigel: " India will shut everything down if there is cross border terrorism and if there is peace would it not diminish the power of the Pakistan Military?"
And do what instead? Indians know that war with Pakistan is not an option, nor can they move elsewhere to a different neighborhood. And proxy war the Indians wage against Pakistan will not help them either.
http://www.riazhaq.com/2014/12/has-modi-stepped-up-indias-covert-war.html
As to peace diminishing Pakistan military's power, it's just a myth. If that were the case, why would General Musharraf come so close making a deal with India on Kashmir?
@nigel
@riaz
Too many issues, too complicated as your discussion affirms. Peace is not possible. Make LoC the de facto border and that's it. Pakistan goes its way and India does the same.
Punjab was divided
Bengal was divided
Pakistan was divided
British India was divided
And now Kashmir
So be it
You are going to appreciate this.
http://www.thestatesman.com/mobi/news/world/indian-american-group-backs-donald-trump/119538.html
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