Thursday, October 15, 2009

Pakistan's Intelligence Failures Amidst Daily Carnage


The best way to stop the increasing carnage on the streets of Pakistan, at least in the short term, is to stop the terrorist attacks well before they occur. Unfortunately, however, the intelligence agencies which are supposed to frustrate the blood-thirsty attackers appear totally ineffective, even paralyzed. The agencies, including the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Intelligence Bureau (IB), are caught in a continuing power struggle between the civilian political elite and the military brass for control, even as terror strikes on a daily basis, claiming dozens of innocent lives.

While the battle for the control of ISI is making headlines with the well-publicized conditions attached to the recent US aid bill at the urging of Pakistan's Ambassador Haqqani, what is less well known is the disgraceful attempt by President Zardari to pack the IB and the Interior ministry with his cronies.

Let's look at the story of Shoaib Suddle, who is known to be very close to Zardari. Suddle was the Karachi Police Chief in September, 1996, when Murtaza Ali Bhutto, the younger brother of Benazir, who was challenging the role of Zardari in the PPP, was allegedly killed by the police in an apparently planned ambush. Suddle is one of the accused in the murder case filed in this connection. Suddle was appointed by Zardari in June, 2008, to head the IB, in spite of strong opposition from Prime Minister Gilani and against the advice of the military. He was given an extension of two years after he reached retirement age. In April this year, a Pakistan Supreme Court judge set aside the extension given to him and other police officers facing trial in connection with the murder of Murtaza Bhutto. In spite of this rebuff by the apex court, he was taken to the US and Europe by Zardari along with the Director General of the ISI. Shortly after his return from the trip with Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani had Suddle replaced by Javed Noor as the DGIB in deference to the Supreme Court judgment.

Pakistan's top law enforcement officer and Zardari's man responsible for internal security is Interior Minister Rehman Malik. Malik was the person responsible for the personal security of Benazir Bhutto when she returned to Pakistan under a deal with former President Musharraf brokered by the US in 2007. After the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, there were accusations of lax security against Rehman Malik, and serious questions were raised about his absence from the scene of the deadly attack in Rawalpindi. In his current role as Interior Minister, Malik's effectiveness is hampered by the fact that he has had a rocky relationship with the ISI since the 1990s, when he was the deputy chief of the FIA.

Even as the Pakistani Army prepares a counterinsurgency campaign in FATA, it is extremely important to have serious intelligence professionals working together to gain the necessary knowledge to disrupt and disable the terrorist networks, which appear to be spreading to the heartland of Pakistan's Punjab province.

As the nation bleeds like never before, it is the prime need of the hour for both the military and political leaders in Pakistan to start seriously cooperating on matters of coordinated intelligence gathering and concerted counter-terror strategy, organization, plans and actions.

There is also a sense of urgency to initiate longer term actions to address the underlying causes of terror by offering alternatives to the young people who are recruited as suicide bombers, wreaking havoc on innocent lives on almost daily basis.

Related Links:

Feudal Punjab Fertile For Terror

Spy versus Spy

Islamabad Marriott Bombing

Questions About Rehman Malik

Can Pakistani Military Defeat the Terrorists?

Murtaza Bhutto's Murder

National Commission For Counter-terrorism

52 comments:

Zen, Munich, Germany said...

Riaz, you present terrorism in Pakistan as if it is an intelligence or technical problem. But in fact, it is a cultural problem in your country. Just a few days ago, they showed in TV a joint research by ZDF and NY Times how Jihadi materials are sold in public bookshops in Lahore as if they were shortstories(see link, video is in German). What should one expect from such a society? In a way, Pakistan is tasting its own poison. Now all they can say is that "Pakistan is also a victim of terrorism" which sounds ridiculous as victim and perpetrator are the same here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS401O7zuWk&feature=channel_page

dcruncher4 said...

It is amazing that even educated Pakistanis like you live in denial mode. Pak army can not defeat taliban because they are one and same. For the last couple of years we are trying to eliminate taliban and are totally unsuccessful. If Pak govt wants peace, let them invite Indian army to finish off talibanis. Let it be a joint operation. There is no shame in asking the help of Indian army to eliminate these rats. India also benefits from this. But no, Pak will not do that because these terrorists are strategic assets against India. What hypocrisy?

I have no faith in Pak army when it comes to eliminating talibanis.

Anonymous said...

HOW FAR CAN THE KASHMIR CONFLICT 1989-2009 BE ATTRIBUTED TO 'FUNDAMENTALIST' RELIGIOUS EMPOWERMENT?

The Kashmir conflict 1989-2009 is a representation of ‘fundamentalist’ religious empowerment. This conflict is not a stand-alone phenomenon. The origins of this South Asian conflict could be traced back to the fundamentalist Hindutva mindset that preceded the two-nation theory of Pakistan and subsequent Islamisation by decades, especially the way Hindu institutions were protected and flourished during the colonial period. This study develops a framework of understanding how India and Pakistan are constantly perched on the precipice of war since 1947, caught in “a paired-minority conflict”, engaging occasionally in the battleground but increasingly in games of stealth and intelligence. Indian strategic culture does not accept the legitimacy of Pakistan while the latter is entangled in the mindset of strategic inferiority and displaying a lack of professionalism. The nuclear tests of 1998 transformed India into a winner and an emerging power, whereas Pakistan is on the verge of a collapse and struggling for foreign aid. This study develops an argument on how this fundamentalist conflict gradually progressed to an insurgency in Kashmir with implications beyond South Asia.


To read this dissertation, please click:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/ 19239255/Fundamentalism

Riaz Haq said...

Anon: "The Kashmir conflict 1989-2009 is a representation of ‘fundamentalist’ religious empowerment. This conflict is not a stand-alone phenomenon."

This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. Kashmir conflict did not start in 1989, it has a much longer history, beginning with 1948 when Nehru made a commitment to Kashmiris and the world that India would not stand in the way of Kashmiris right to choose.

It's rather long 46 minutes presentation requiring patience, but I found the video to be the most honest account of the Kashmir problem which is surrounded by all kinds of misinformation, disinformation and spin from all sides. Hoodbhoy puts it in historical context, shows the cynical role of the politicians and extremists on both sides, and talks about the realities of the Kashmir tragedy as it affects both Kashmiri Muslims and Hindu pandits who have been dispossessed and dispersed, and led to radicalization of the populations on both sides.

The footage of late Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru's pledge of the plebiscite to the people of Kashmir to decide their own fate can be seen and heard about 23 minutes into the 46 minute video.

I recommend this video to any one interested in understanding the Kashmir issue in depth and how it has drastically polarized the people South Asia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LLnuglrW34

Anonymous said...

What has Kashmir issue got to do with present mess in Pakistan created by taliban?

Riaz Haq said...

dcruncher: "Pak army can not defeat taliban because they are one and same."

Who do you think fought and defeated the Talibs in Swat recently?

I think you are in denial of the fact that Pakistan Army has made tremendous sacrifices and lost more soldiers in the fight against terror than the US and NATO put together.

As to the past relationship between Pakistan and Taliban, the US, too, had that relationship in terms of training, arming and funding the "Mujahedeen" , as the Americans called them in 1980s, who morphed into al Qaeda ad the Taliban. Does the past US support for Mujahedeen mean the US and the Taleban are one an he same?

dcruncher: "There is no shame in asking the help of Indian army to eliminate these rats. India also benefits from this."

I think you are living fools' paradise. India has no interest in helping Pakistan. It is, in fact, engaged in a covert war in Pakistan to destabilize it further.
It also continues to maintain the bulk of Indian troops concentrated on Pak borders, constantly threatening Pakistan and distracting its attention away from the war against the Talibs.

The Indian attitude is summed well by respected American South Asia expert Stephen Cohen of Washington's Brookings Institution, who recently told his audience: "Not a few Indian generals and strategists have told me that if only America would strip Pakistan of its nuclear weapons then the Indian army could destroy the Pakistan army and the whole thing would be over."

Please read the following:

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/04/indias-covert-war-in-pakistan.html

Riaz Haq said...

Zen: "But in fact, it is a cultural problem in your country. Just a few days ago, they showed in TV a joint research by ZDF and NY Times how Jihadi materials are sold in public bookshops in Lahore as.."

It's amazing how you think you are an expert on Pakistan and its problems based on watching a clip produced by western media who parachute in to cover a story without having any idea of the society and the context.

You know, Nazi literature is also sold openly in the US. And if one were to produce a clip that just focused on a that, it could easily, but incorrectly, conclude that American society has a deep social problem against Jews and other minorities.

What you need to look at is that two recent polls, one by al Jazeera and another by IRI, that show overwhelming support for Pak Army's action against the Taliban.

Anonymous said...

As an Indian ..I feel Kashmir problem can be very much solved.. and Indian government just clinging on it becuase of the false ego of Nehru..A columist described the kashmir issues very well as
"Kashmir was in the grip of two armies galring at each other in a state of arm neutrality. It may sut a handful of people to see the indefinite continuance of this ghastly situation. But the indian taxpayer is paying through the nose for the precarious privilege of claiming kashmir as part of India on the basis of all the giving on India's side and all the taking on Kashmir's side" ...
It was just nehru's ego to hold on kashmir being kashmiri and we indians are paying proce for the same ...

dcruncher4 said...

"It's amazing how you think you are an expert on Pakistan and its problems based on watching a clip produced by western media who parachute in to cover a story without having any idea of the society and the context."

Does this guy also live in Germany?
He is telling it loud and clear in Pak tv that Pak society is filled with poison and that's why there is so much violence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIT7Fyu5KHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRp6qeatruU

Mr Haq, there is a limit to live in denial mode.

You want opinion poll? I can show you opinion poll taken in Pakistan where 80% of pak people wanted sharia (like hand cutting for stealing, stoning for adultry).

Anonymous said...

"The Indian attitude is summed well by respected American South Asia expert Stephen Cohen of Washington's Brookings Institution, who recently told his audience: "Not a few Indian generals and strategists have told me that if only America would strip Pakistan of its nuclear weapons then the Indian army could destroy the Pakistan army and the whole thing would be over."

WOW. What a genius? Perhaps Indian Army was sleeping from 1971 (when they cut Pak into two pieces) to 1998 when both of them were not officially nuke country.

Riaz Haq said...

dcruncher: "Does this guy also live in Germany?
He is telling it loud and clear in Pak tv that Pak society is filled with poison and that's why there is so much violence."

Nazir Naji and a few others like him are Cassandras who bring bad news, while ignoring the good news completely. That's the basic definition of a Cassandra: They always see the cup not just half empty, but completely empty.

As I said earlier, there has been a dramatic shift in public opinion in Pakistan, as borne out by the most recent polls by Aljazeera and IRI.

Pakistanis are now overwhelmingly supporting a strong response the military to crush the radicals causing daily mayhem close to home. What I a arguing in my post is that it's extremely important to have good intelligence to improve the chances of success against the Talibs. And then there is a need in the long term to find alternative lifestyles/work for the young people who are drawn to radical causes.

Now, even after the military succeed, and I have no doubt the military is quite capable of it, you will still be able find radicals in Pak society, just as you find them in any other society.

dcruncher4 said...

Mr Haq, Why do your respect Dr. Hoodbhoy who tells the same. In fact Dr. sahib has been telling that the crop of 1980s, sowed by Zia Ullu Haq (no pun intended), has now grown completely and eating Pak from inside. I fully agree with him. Remember this is a society which actively encourages jihad by anyone. All a jihadi requires is to declare anyone an enemy of islam to justify his killing. YOU SPECIALLY are enemy # 1 for jihadis who lives in US and is a US citizen.

The very concept of Jihad is outdated by centuries and we are only paying the price of encouraging it.

Do you remember the Pakistan of 1970s before Zia Ullu Haq destroyed it with his crap islamic dumping on the society.

Yousuf said...

Riaz Dahib,
I agree with you but they are elected representatives of Pakistan, and can loose some seats in by-election or loose government in next election, unlike Army & ISI who didn’t deliver for last 60years, and no one can throw them out. I think Asma Jehangir put together very well in her reply to Hameed Gul about KLB in a recent Off the Record talk show.



Pakistan Army & ISI trained all these people during Afghan war, and these terrorist so called Jihadis in Afghan & Kashmir war. Now these Jihadis/Terrorists carried out further trainings to our future generations using same principles & religious mantra provided to them that suicide is fine to reach your goal of Islamic state.



Now Jihadis are labeled as Terrorist as they attack same institution who trained them, but in Jehadis/Terrorists mind mission is same as Afghan war, to establish Islamic State, and they see Pakistan Army & ISI as road block. ( asteen ka saap hey jo duss raha hey).



Still there are people inside these security agencies who are well wishers, and provide inside info of daily routine. Good example is attack on UN food headquarters in Pindi, where rangers used to go get water & use restroom, and someone provided the info, and the Jihadi/Terrorist used ranger uniform carried out the attack using same routine or GHQ attack or attack on Generals etc. If you look at the trend it is happening more in Punjab, then in Karachi. My guess is that they don’t have inside sympathizers in Karachi, who can help them like in Punjab. In fact some credit goes to MQM that lot of terrorist were caught in Karachi then any where else.



Indra Ghandi took the Sikh terrorists list from BeNazir & took care of sikh terrorism, and our ISI who created Jihandis couldn’t put the Jihadis back in the bottle, as they were using them for their interests.



It’s time for Army & ISI to rethink their strategy & look inwards for such elements to make bold decisions, if they want such elements to be entertained to use them in Afghanistan & Kashmir in future or cut them off for ever, to bring peace & prosperity for Pakistan.

Riaz Haq said...

Yousuf,
Zardari is doing a lot of damage very quickly to Pakistan already. He is engaged in violence and extortion and packing the agencies with his cronies. He is much less trustworthy than the military. And Zardari is not just an individual, he represents an entirely corrupt feudal system that rules Pakistan in the name of democracy whenever elections are held. The alternative to PPP is PML under Sharif which is not much better.

Unlike the military governments that deliver signifucant econmic growth, under the feudals, the economy grinds to a halt, and there is no job creation necessary to employ over 2 million young people a year who join the labor pool each year. The decade of the 1990s is called a lost decade because the so-called democrats delivered near-zero growth and increased poverty and hunger temendously. So they become a ready market for the radicals recruiting terrrorists and suicde bombers. In fact, the feudal Punjab has become fertile ground for terrorists because of the domination of the feudal structutre that denies the young people any laternatives to either being serfs on their farms, or become jihadis. Just read the story of Kasab who was recruited to terrorize people in Mumbai.

Asma Jehangir, and others like her in "civil society" are just an unwitting tool for the perpetuation of the feudal system in the name of democracy in Pakistan.

On the Taliban front, there has been a dramatic shift in public opinion in Pakistan, as borne out by the most recent polls by Aljazeera and IRI.

Pakistanis are now overwhelmingly supporting a strong response the military to crush the radicals causing daily mayhem close to home. What I a arguing in my post is that it's extremely important to have good intelligence to improve the chances of success against the Talibs. And then there is a need in the long term to find alternative lifestyles/work for the young people who are drawn to radical causes.

Now, even after the military succeed, and I have no doubt the military is quite capable of it, you will still be able find radicals in Pak society, just as you find them in any other society.

Anonymous said...

Riaz"It's amazing how you think you are an expert on Pakistan and its problems based on watching a clip produced by western media who parachute in to cover a story without having any idea of the society and the context."

No body is trying to be an expert here. Everybody is entitled to his opinion. Or do you have problem with one sharing the opinion on your blog. BTW, reading handful of surveys, polls and news, you have been long posting the outrageous articles about India. Do you consider yourself expert of Indian matters?

Riaz” You know, Nazi literature is also sold openly in the US. And if one were to produce a clip that just focused on a that, it could easily, but incorrectly, conclude that American society has a deep social problem against Jews and other minorities.”

You need to stop comparing Apples with oranges. They also have Nazi reunions in USA. The difference is – after reading these materials, people are not blowing up places. In Pakistan they do. So the difference is in action. If the Nazi people start blowing up places in USA, they will be shut, along with the material, in matter of hours. In Pakistan, they do not stop these things. There is a world of difference but you won’t understand in your denial shell.

dcruncher4 said...

"Unlike the military governments that deliver signifucant econmic growth, under the feudals, the economy grinds to a halt, and there is no job creation necessary to employ over 2 million young people a year who join the labor pool each year. The decade of the 1990s is called a lost decade because the so-called democrats delivered near-zero growth and increased poverty and hunger temendously. So they become a ready market for the radicals recruiting terrrorists and suicde bombers. In fact, the feudal Punjab has become fertile ground for terrorists because of the domination of the feudal structutre that denies the young people any laternatives to either being serfs on their farms, or become jihadis. Just read the story of Kasab who was recruited to terrorize people in Mumbai."

You write this also and also claim by repeated assertion that Pakistan has done better than India in all social indicators. You can't be consistent

Anonymous said...

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/breaking-terrorists-rock-lahore-with-multiple-attacks-14-dead/#comment-21111

Pakistan wants USA to listen to them and leave Afghanistan.

Riaz Haq said...

Anon: "WOW. What a genius? Perhaps Indian Army was sleeping from 1971 (when they cut Pak into two pieces) to 1998 when both of them were not officially nuke country."

The key words in your comment are "officially nuke country". Both Pakistan and India had crossed the threshold well before the tests in 1998, which had the deterrent effect.

Riaz Haq said...

dcruncher: "Why do your respect Dr. Hoodbhoy who tells the same. In fact Dr. sahib has been telling that the crop of 1980s..."

Let's not confuse respect with agreement. While I do agree with PH on the dangers and his warnings on radicalization, I do not consider the situation hopeless, as he does.

dcruncher: "Do you remember the Pakistan of 1970s before Zia Ullu Haq destroyed it with his crap islamic dumping on the society."

I agree that Zia has done more damage to Pak than any other leader in Pak's history.

Riaz Haq said...

Anon: BTW, reading handful of surveys, polls and news, you have been long posting the outrageous articles about India. Do you consider yourself expert of Indian matters?

No, I am not consider myself an expert on India. But I can say with confidence that I know more about India than most Indians or Pakistanis. My knowledge is based on my personal visits and extensive research, not just "a handful of surveys, polls and news"
as you allege.

In fact, there is nothing outrageous about what I say regarding India. Everything I say is well supported by overwhelming data and evidence, particularly India's failure to take care of something as basic as food, as borne out by another hunger report yesterday, on "World Food Day", that gives India the lowest possible grade, essentially an F.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/10/persistent-hunger-in-south-asia.html

Riaz Haq said...

dcruncher: "You write this also and also claim by repeated assertion that Pakistan has done better than India in all social indicators. You can't be consistent"

It's absolutely consistent, when you consider well-publicized and credible data on India's performance vs Pakistan's on basics such as food, clothing and shelter.

Everything I say is well supported by overwhelming data and evidence, particularly India's failure to take care of something as basic as food, as borne out by another hunger report yesterday, on "World Food Day", that gives India the lowest possible grade, essentially an F.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/10/persistent-hunger-in-south-asia.html

Riaz Haq said...

Anon: "They also have Nazi reunions in USA. The difference is – after reading these materials, people are not blowing up places. In Pakistan they do."

Occasionally, the Nazis and their allied radical groups do commit acts of terror, such as the Oklahoma City bombing, Atlanta bombings, and shootings/killings at abortion clinics.

The numbers of radicals in US are relatively small because, unlike Pakistan, the US is a land of opportunity that is a beacon even to the foreigners, including large numbers of legal and immigrants from Mexico and India and other places.

Anonymous said...

Further you guys are too intelligent. You are one side asking USA to give you aid and on the other side, you are trying tell USA that they must leave and go Afghanistan. It looks like that USA invaded Afghanistan only with the concurrence of Pakistan.

Truth of the matter is that the country has already been brainwashed for islamic fundamentalism by sowing seeds of hatred against humans who are not islamic. That mentality has seeped into every pakistani in the administration.

That is the greatest strength of Taliban. Otherwise think of their audocity to attack the army head quarters. Further it exposes the dependence of pakistan on USA for the intelligence with regard to movement of people using satellite.

Since pakistan army is not listening to what US is telling, it has allowed pakistan army to fight its survival with taliban and USA to fight their determination using drones and satellites.

Good sense would be is to follow usa atleast till such time they can clean up the taliban in the backyard. Japan listen to USA for forty years to get their economic independence. Rome was not built in a day and built in a day it is not Rome. Hope this get into the senses of pakistan administration.

dcruncher4 said...

"It's absolutely consistent, when you consider well-publicized and credible data on India's performance vs Pakistan's on basics such as food, clothing and shelter."

No you didn't get it. Indian's worse poverty than Pakistan did not end up in Amar Singh coming to Karachi and blowing up all la Ajmal Kasab.

How come poverty in India did not create suicide bombers blowing away in not only in India, but also in Pakistan, like Pak terrorists. Doesn't that lead to conclusion on the the social indicator of poverty->terrorism India has done much better.

Riaz Haq said...

dcruncher: "No you didn't get it. Indian's worse poverty than Pakistan did not end up in Amar Singh coming to Karachi and blowing up all la Ajmal Kasab."

How different groups of people react to similar set of circumstances can be the subject of extensive research producing several voluminous dissertations for dozens of Ph.D. candidates.

My own starting point for such research would be to look at factors such as social attitudes, religious beliefs and motivations, internal catalysts and external triggers, opportunities, training etc.

In my humble opinion, India's caste-bound society and fatalistic social attitudes have created a relatively docile, poor and vast underclass that is essentially passive ad resigned to its fate, and it has infinite patience in the face of horrible injustice.

In Pakistan, we had similar situation with the poor farmers and serfs living on the land of their feudal lords or under tribal chiefs who accepted their situation. But the 1980s Soviet invasion and the following exhortation and training to fight against injustice changed all that. Pakistani society went through a transformation when the old order in the tribal areas broke down, the power and the privilege of the sardars and the maliks was destroyed, and the jihadis and mullahs took charge with the blessing and support of Pakistani, US and Saudi governments. That was the catalyst and the trigger that changed people from fairly docile subjects to violently fighting against power and authority.

And it didn't stop after the Soviets were defeated and pulled out of Afghanistan. In fact, it spread to the feudal Punjab and Kashmir. And it continues to grow into a massive rebellion against everything perceived as unjust...from Pakistan's feudal and tribal systems to the Pakistan military and police (seen as protecting the corrupt and unjust status quo) to Kashmir and Afghanistan. It's turned into a full-scale war on multiple fronts with the rural and tribal poor as its fodder, and there is no end in sight yet. The genie is out of the bottle.

Anonymous said...

No your research is horribly off the mark. The real reason why Indians are not violent i-will-blow-up-all is Hinduism. Same is true with Tibetians. Here was one nation which was annexed by Chinese. But Bhuddism does not encourage its followers to take up violence.

The very concept of Jihad is violent, end-justifies-the-means
theology. Is is any surprise that the same jihad has ended up eating islamic countries. Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan.

The London Bombers of 2005 were all soccer, cricket playing second generations pakistanis. Yet they were angered by what British army was doing in Iraq and of course West policy towards Israel. So angered were they they blew up themselves. Only a fool will think that will actually achieve anything. All it achieved is a positive repulse towards islam.

dcruncher4 said...

@riaz: "resigned to its fate, and it has infinite patience in the face of horrible injustice. "

You mean Indians have more patience than muslim women. Please note that I am an agnostic with hatred towards all organized religions. To me when a muslim points out flaws in other religions while ignore the horrible treatment given to women is so hiprocratic that it only brings out the worst in me.

Riaz Haq said...

dcruncher: "You mean Indians have more patience than muslim women."

The answer is a unequivocal YES. Indians live in society whose tradition of caste system legitimizes the exploitation of one group of people by another.

In spite of all the denials you hear from Indians, caste system is alive and well in India, and its effects can be seen everywhere. Even the Indian democracy is seriously flawed because people vote their caste rather than cast their votes.

In terms of gender discrimination, India fares very badly, starting from suttee to the treatment of widows abandoned in temples and streets, to female feticide, the Indian customs legitimize the exploitation of women.

Anonymous said...

last I checked indian women do not wear burqas or does not get permission to drive (like Saudi Arabia). last I checked an indian male can not divorce by saying talaq 3 times. Last I checked an Indian women does not lose custody of child in case of divorce.
last I checked an indian male does not get religion-sponsored birth right to marry 4 times.

You are free to delude that women in islam are treated better. You are the blog owner, so you can assert anything you want.

Anonymous said...

Riaz

Simple difference between the muslim pakistan and hindu india is that the law does not discrminate whether on the basis of caste or gender

Caste exploitation was of the past. Today if a person calls a dalit by name he is going to be in the jail for minimum six months without bail.

Women discrimination will land the man into trouble. Today problems of india is poverty and over population due to medical advancement without corresponding fall in birth rate [ curse of democracy when compared to china ]

Not as a justification but a impartial observation, when the education and standard of living increases, the discrmination on the basis of gender start reducing as the both the gender possess the same amount of economic standing.

Further i thought this particular thread is expect to discuss the recent blasts in pakistan and i think nothing of india discrimination anywhere has contributed for that.

Riaz Haq said...

Anon: "last I checked indian women do not wear burqas or does not get permission to drive (like Saudi Arabia). last I checked an indian male can not...."

Ok, then explain the following:

1. Why is there a female feticide going on in India that has badly skewed the at-birth femsle-male ratios to as low as 300 females for 1000 males in parts of India? Why is the prime minister calling it India's shame and needs to launch "save the girl child" campaign?

Here are the latest statistics from the CIA's The World Factbook on male-female ratios in India and Pakistan:

India at birth: 1.12 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.1 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.9 male(s)/female
total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

China at birth: 1.1 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.13 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.91 male(s)/female
total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

Pakistan at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.88 male(s)/female
total population: 1.04 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

United Kingdom
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.03 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.76 male(s)/female
total population: 0.98 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

United States
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.75 male(s)/female
total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

2. Why is there a 22% literacy gapbetween men and women in India, far worse than most of the Muslim nations?

3. Why is it that India stands at a dismally low position of 53 among 58 countries for "gender gap," according to a survey by the World Economic Forum (WEF).

Anonymous said...

@Raiz,

Did you notice that under-15 India's sex ratio is better than all countries. Could you throw some light as how it is possible?
Does this mean that other countries kill more female infants or little children than indians.

"2. Why is there a 22% literacy gapbetween men and women in India, far worse than most of the Muslim nations?"

But the female literacy by itself in India is far better than most of muslim nations. Why is that not taken into consideration? This is like saying Miandas being the maximum century scorer for Pakistan is better than Gavaskar who is only second max century scorer for India.Never mind that Miandad scored only 22 test hundreds and Gavaskar 34 test 100s.
Do you see how weak is your argument.
India's female literacy is 54%.
Your Pakistan and other countries here:-

http://www.unicef.org/pon95/chil0011.html

Note: Do you have more recent one.
The above ones shows women in islamic countries are pathetically behind women in India.

Do you know in US, the pay difference between genders is roughly 21% for the same job. For every dollar a man gets, a woman gets only 79 cents What does it tell

Riaz Haq said...

Anon: "Did you notice that under-15 India's sex ratio is better than all countries. "

You are not reading it correctly. India's 1.1 male/female ratio for under-15 is worse than Pakistan's, US's, UK's ratios in the range of 1.05. Only China's is 1.13 is worse than India's because of its one child policy.

Anon: "But the female literacy by itself in India is far better than most of muslim nations. "

No, it's not. Almost all Muslim nations have higher literacy rates overall and narrower gender gap than India's, with a couple of exceptions. In fact almost all Muslim nations rank higher than India in terms of human development.

Anon: "Do you know in US, the pay difference between genders is roughly 21% for the same job. For every dollar a man gets, a woman gets only 79 cents What does it tell"

It says the gender gap exists in all parts of the world, but the extent of the gap varies widely. It's much worse in India than almost all countries of the world. In a WEF gender gap survey, India and Pakistan both rank near the bottom.

Riaz Haq said...

Here's a New York Times report about recent US assistance to Pakistan prior to the Waziristan operation:

During preparations this spring for the Pakistani campaigns in Swat and South Waziristan, President Obama personally intervened at the request of Pakistan’s top army general to speed the delivery of 10 Mi-17 troop transport helicopters. Senior Pentagon officials have also hurried spare parts for Cobra helicopter gunships, night vision goggles, body armor and eavesdropping equipment to the fight.

American military surveillance drones are feeding video images and target information to Pakistani ground commanders, and the Pentagon has quietly provided the Pakistani Air Force with high-resolution, infrared sensors for F-16 warplanes, which Pakistan is using to guide bomb attacks on militants’ strongholds in South Waziristan.

In addition, the number of American Special Forces soldiers and support personnel who are training and advising Pakistani Army and paramilitary troops has doubled in the past eight months, to as many as 150, an American adviser said. The Americans do not conduct combat operations.

The increasing American role in shoring up the Pakistani military’s counterinsurgency abilities comes as the Obama administration debates how much of a troop commitment to make in neighboring Afghanistan. It also takes place as Taliban attacks are spreading into Pakistani cities. It is unclear whether Pakistani authorities are using any of the sophisticated surveillance equipment to combat the urban terrorism.

Underscoring the complexity of the relationship between the allies, Pakistani officials are loath to publicize the aid because of the deep-seated anti-American sentiment in Pakistan. And they privately express frustration about the pace and types of aid, which totals about $1.5 billion this year.

Riaz Haq said...

Here are some interesting excerpts from a piece by Anjum Niaz in Pakistan's Daily Dawn today:

‘If I were a Pakistani, I would worry… there are frightening times ahead,’ Seymour Hersh warned. ‘You guys are next after Iran,’ he told me when I asked about American designs on our nukes. ‘Your nuclear programme is the target.’ Well wired with intelligence sources, not just in the American CIA, but the Mossad in Israel, RAW in India and the ISI in Pakistan; the Pulitzer Prize winner operates via sources crawling around these intelligence agencies who have over the years gladly handed him classified information.

‘If Musharraf was to go down south (exit),’ Hersh said four years ago, ‘there’ll be a traffic jam! There’ll be the CIA, Mossad and RAW jumping in to grab your nuclear facilities. It will be a free-for-all. The ISI and the Pakhtoons are terribly concerned.’ Earlier, he alleged in a November 2001 New Yorker article that Al Qaida was founded at a 1988 meeting in Peshawar. He quoted a former Pakistani diplomat who said, ‘If you go through the officers’ list, almost all of the ISI regulars would say of the Taliban, ‘They are my boys.’’

I pressed on with my questions on Pakistan’s security issues vis-à-vis Iran and India. How would a nearly nuclear armed Iran react if India and Pakistan were to go to war? In his typical New York accent, he answered, ‘Iran is not making nuclear weapons. It’s Israel you should be worrying about. With 600 nukes bristling under its arm, Tel Aviv is the greatest threat to the regional security. Other than Pakistan, there’s no Muslim country with a bomb.’

Castigating the New York Times, Hersh continued, ‘I throw a challenge to the Times to do a critical piece on Israel’s foreign policy and how it influences America. We must separate ourselves from Israeli interests and stop Israel from confusing the issue.’

Except for two walkouts, the rest of the audience, a 1000-strong, clap and cheer when he speaks of Israeli lobbyists infiltrating the power corridors in America to successfully mind-control policy-makers.

‘Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation nor is it threatening our security one iota! Why then are the NYT and Washington Post pursuing the Israeli storyline? Israeli agents have infiltrated the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) in Vienna. ‘Muslims are not terrorists, as Israel alleges.’

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/what-sy-said

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The Supreme Court of Pakistan has unanimously declared NRO null and void ab initio, according to Dawn News:

ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court has declared the controversial National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) null and void in a short order.

In a landmark decision, the apex court unanimously decided that the ordinance was unconstitutional.

All old cases that had been dismissed under the NRO stand revived and can now be reopened as per the court orders.

The court said that all orders that were passed and all acquittals under the NRO were illegal and never existed.

The apex court in its order also said that all convictions that were held prior to the enactment of the NRO stand revived as well.


Now the Zar dari camp is expected to argue that, under the constitution of Pakistan, President Zardari is immune from prosecution as long as he is in office.

Related Links:

Swi ss Corruption Probe Against Zardari

NRO, Democracy and Corruption in South Asia

Pakistan's Intelligence Failure Amidst Daily Carnage

Riaz Haq said...

Here is a BBC story about the aftermath of Pakistan's amnesty reversal:

A judge in Karachi has summoned the Interior Minister, Rehman Malik to appear before an anti-corruption court.

It follows a court ruling this week which ruled out an immunity granted to the minister and thousands of other Pakistani officials.

Mr Malik is one of around 250 officials whose corruption and criminal cases have been re-opened.

On Thursday Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar was barred from going to China after he was stopped at the airport.

Mr Mukhtar said immigration officials prevented him from boarding the plane for an official visit.

The latest developments after the supreme court ruled on Wednesday that an amnesty protecting senior members of government was unconstitutional.

Only recently has it been revealed that more than 8,000 politicians and officials benefited from the legislation.

Those under investigation are barred from leaving Pakistan but the others have so far not been named.

Presidential immunity

The BBC's Aleem Maqbool in Islamabad says that the ruling has thrown Pakistan's political administration into turmoil.

Our correspondent says that calls are growing for the president and the entire government to step down - something presidential aides have said will not happen.

The controversial amnesty was brought in by the previous president, Pervez Musharraf, and its removal opens the way to possible prosecution for allies of the current President, Asif Zardari.

Mr Zardari himself faces several pending court cases against him in Pakistan but is protected by presidential immunity.

Before taking office, he spent years in jail after being convicted on corruption charges he says were politically motivated.

Pakistan's main opposition, the Pakistan Muslim League-N of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, has called on the president to resign.

Exit list

Mr Mukhtar told local television that his name was on the "exit list" restricting travel and that the federal investigation authorities had said he could not leave the country.

He told Geo TV that he had been planning to visit China for three days on an official visit in connection with the delivery of a warship.

"It was in connection with a corruption case but there is no corruption case against me - it is only an inquiry which is pending against me for the past 12 years."

He said he would "strongly defend" himself in court.

The amnesty was introduced by Mr Musharraf in order to allow Mr Zardari's late wife, Benazir Bhutto, to return to the country and stand for office, with the aim of a possible power-sharing deal with Mr Musharraf.

She returned to Pakistan from abroad after the so-called National Reconciliation Ordinance was signed into law, but was assassinated soon after.

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Here is a BBC report about Taliban's brazen Kabul attacks and how the Taliban deliberately avoided civilian casualties, unlike the Pakistani Taliban:

The Taliban, we learned later, having failed to storm the government buildings they had at first targeted, sought shelter elsewhere.

At least four went into a crowded shopping centre.

If their intention had been to kill as many people as possible, it would have been achievable there.

But they didn't. They ordered everyone - shoppers and shopkeepers alike - out. Soon the building was on fire.

The Taliban fighters died amid the flames, most of them in a volley of gunfire, while the last man alive blew himself up.

The number of civilians who died was - given the scale of what was happening - surprisingly low.

From Pakistan, we learned, a Taliban spokesman had called a news agency, while the attack was still under way, to announce that 20 of its militants were involved.

The public relations management was as vital to the perpetrators as the co-ordination of the attack itself.

This care, this determination to avoid civilian deaths is now part of the conflict in Afghanistan.

It is something the Taliban shares with its Nato enemies.

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Here's a NY Times recent story about Dr. Umar Kundi who was alleged to be involved in Lahore attacks on Pakistan's ISI and Sri Lankan cricket teams:

Umar Kundi was his parents’ pride, an ambitious young man from a small town who made it to medical school in the big city. It seemed like a story of working-class success, living proof in this unequal society that a telephone operator’s son could become a doctor.

But things went wrong along the way. On campus Mr. Kundi fell in with a hard-line Islamic group. His degree did not get him a job, and he drifted in the urban crush of young people looking for work. His early radicalization helped channel his ambitions in a grander, more sinister way.

Instead of healing the sick, Mr. Kundi went on to become one of Pakistan’s most accomplished militants. Working under a handler from Al Qaeda, he was part of a network that carried out some of the boldest attacks against the Pakistani state and its people last year, the police here say. Months of hunting him ended on Feb. 19, when he was killed in a shootout with the police at the age of 29.

Mr. Kundi and members of his circle — educated strivers who come from the lower middle class — are part of a new generation that has made militant networks in Pakistan more sophisticated and deadly. Al Qaeda has harnessed their aimless ambition and anger at Pakistan’s alliance with the United States, their generation’s most electrifying enemy.

“These are guys who use Google Maps to plan their attacks,” said a senior Punjab Province police official. “Their training is better than our national police academy.”

Like Mr. Kundi, many came of age in the 1990s, when jihad was state policy — aimed at challenging Indian control in Kashmir — and jihadi groups recruited openly in universities. Under the influence of Al Qaeda, their energies have been redirected and turned inward, against Pakistan’s own government and people.

That shift has fractured long-established militant networks, which were once supported by the state, producing a patchwork of new associations that are fluid and defy easy categorization.

“The situation now is quite confusing,” said Tariq Parvez, director of the National Counterterrorism Authority in Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital. “We can no longer talk in terms of organizations. Now it’s a question of like-minded militants.”

The result has been deadly. In 2009, militant attacks killed 3,021 Pakistanis, three times as many as in 2006.

The issue is urgent. Pakistan is in the midst of a youth bulge, with more than a million people a year pouring into the job market, and the economy — at its current rate — is not growing fast enough to absorb them. Only a tiny fraction choose militancy, but acute joblessness exacerbates the risk.

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Here is a BBC report about Pakistan court acquittals of terror suspects due to lack of sufficient evidence:

A Pakistani court has acquitted nine men accused of planning two deadly attacks on security targets, including one which killed the army's top medic.

A suicide bomber killed Lt Gen Mushtaq Baig with seven others in February 2008. He is the most senior military official to be killed since 2001.

Just weeks earlier, several employees of Pakistan's intelligence agency were killed in a suicide attack on a bus.

But the judge said there was not enough evidence. The men pleaded not guilty.

The 2008 suicide bombings left 16 people dead and wounded dozens more.

"Due to lack of evidence, no charges can be proved against the accused," judge Malik Akram Awan said in the anti-terrorism court in Rawalpindi on Thursday.

But the court said the men would be held in "preventative custody" at home because they are still under investigation.

The public prosecutor, Bilal Ahmed, told the BBC they "produced several witnesses and lots of evidence."

Mr Ahmed said that those acquitted included the alleged ringleader, Dr Abdul Razzak, an employee at a local government hospital, who was charged in both cases.

The decision comes 10 days after another Pakistani court acquitted four men of being involved in the bombing of Islamabad's Marriott hotel in 2008.

This continues a trend in which dozens of suspects charged in high-profile militant attacks have recently been freed.

Their acquittal now raises serious questions about the government's ability to investigate and solve such high profile attacks.

Riaz Haq said...

Recent acquittals of the accused in high-profile terror cases in Pakistan for lack of evidence are shining light on the incompetence of police investigators and prosecutors in Pakistan. Here are some excerpts from a Dawn editorial on this subject:

The recent spate of acquittals of alleged terrorists has brought into question the authorities’ capacity to investigate and try terrorism-related crimes.

Since April, at least 33 alleged terrorists have been released by anti-terrorism courts, mostly because of lack of evidence. They had been indicted and prosecuted for nine suicide attacks carried out in Islamabad and Rawalpindi in 2007 and 2008, killing more than 150 people.

The latest to be acquitted were six men charged with carrying out bomb blasts at the Islamabad district courts and Aabpara market in July 2007. Earlier on, those charged in four suicide attacks on military targets in Rawalpindi and two bomb attacks on Islamabad’s Marriott Hotel, as well as in an attack on the Kamra Aeronautical Complex in December 2007, had been acquitted. This spate of acquittals by the lower courts was preceded by the Lahore High Court’s overturning of the 2008 conviction of two men for their role in plotting an attack on the then president Pervez Musharraf in Rawalpindi in 2007.

Whether the acquitted were innocent and wrongfully charged, or guilty but acquitted due to lack of evidence, our failure to incapacitate terrorists is obvious. If the acquitted are guilty, it sends out an ominous sign that the state is not serious about bringing the militants to book. Enhanced security is not enough to foil attacks.

Proper investigations resulting in concrete evidence are important to locate the source of a particular terrorist attack. The ability to analyse such data can help prevent future attacks. If we want to make effective use of the criminal justice system to prevent terrorism, a more disciplined approach is needed so that the courts have the needed evidence for convictions. Only then can we hope to have a strong and effective justice system for the hundreds who fall victim to terror attacks each year.

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The ISI is hated by Pakistan's enemies mainly because it is the best at what it does in terms of protecting Pakistan interests. Some in the CIA, RAW and Mossad show a natural professional jealousy and envy of the ISI....and they try and slander it as often as they can through their friendly media and its blind followers.

Here's a website "smashinglits.com" that ranks as ISI #1 intelligence agency in the world...followed by MOSSAD, MI6, CIA, MSS, BND, FSB, DGSE, RAW and ASIS.

Here's what the website says about ISI:

Formed 1948
Jurisdiction Government of Pakistan
Headquarters Islamabad, Pakistan
Agency executive Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, PA Director General

With the lengthiest track record of success, the best know Intelligence so far on the scale of records is ISI. The Inter-Services Intelligence was created as an independent unit in 1948 in order to strengthen the performance of Pakistan’s Military Intelligence during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. Its success in achieving its goal without leading to a full scale invasion of Pakistan by the Soviets is a feat unmatched by any other through out the intelligence world. KGB, The best of its time, failed to counter ISI and protect Soviet interests in Central Asia. This GOLD MEDAL makes it rank higher than Mossad. It has had 0 double agents or Defectors through out its history, considering that in light of the whole war campaign it carried out from money earned by selling drugs bought from the very people it was bleeding, The Soviets. It has protected its Nuclear Weapons since formed and it has foiled Indian attempts to attain ultimate supremacy in the South-Asian theatres through internal destabilization of India. It is above All laws in its host country Pakistan ‘A State, with in a State’. Its policies are made ‘outside’ of all other institutions with the exception of The Army. Its personnel have never been caught on camera. Its is believed to have the highest number of agents worldwide, close to 10,000. The most striking thing is that its one of the least funded Intelligence agency out of the top 10 and still the strongest.


http://www.smashinglists.com/10-best-intelligence-agencies-in-the-world/

Riaz Haq said...

Here's a new poll published by Wired.com on the unpopularity of US drone attacks in FATA:

LThe CIA can kill militants all day long. If the drone war in Pakistan drives the local people into al Qaeda’s arms, it’ll be failure. A new poll of the Pakistani tribal areas, released this morning, suggests that could easily wind up happening. Chalk one up for drone skeptics like counterinsurgent emeritus David Kilcullen and ex-CIA Director Michael Hayden.

Only 16 percent of respondents to a new poll sponsored by the drone-watchers at the New America Foundation say that the drone strikes “accurately target militants.” Three times that number say they “largely kill civilians.”

CIA director Leon Panetta, by contrast, has staunchly defended the drone program as meticulously targeting terrorists. In a war that depends heavily on perceptions, it’s a big discrepancy.

There’s more bad news for Panetta and his boss in the White House. A plurality of respondents in the tribal areas say that the U.S. is primarily responsible for violence in the region. Nearly 90 percent want the U.S. to stop pursuing militants in their backyard and nearly 60 percent are fine with suicide bombings directed at the Americans. That comes as NATO accelerates incursions into Pakistan. Just this morning, it announced that a pursuit of insurgents in Afghanistan’s Paktiya Province led to a U.S. helicopter shooting at the militants from Pakistani airspace. Enraged Pakistani officials responded by shutting down a critical NATO supply line into Afghanistan.

Whatever NATO says, very few in the tribal regions are inclined to believe the U.S. is in Afghanistan and occasionally in Pakistan to fight terrorism. They think the U.S. is waging “larger war on Islam or… an effort to secure oil and minerals in the region.”

On the brighter side, wide majorities in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas disapprove of al Qaeda (over three-quarters), the Pakistani Taliban (over two-thirds) and the Afghan Taliban (60 percent). There’s also strong support for the Pakistani army: almost 70 percent want the army to directly confront al Qaeda and the Taliban in the region; 79 percent say they wouldn’t mind if the tribal area were run by the army.

Now for the qualifiers. Polling in the conflict-heavy tribal areas is a dicey proposition. A survey last year of the tribal areas published in the Daily Times found that almost two-thirds of respondents wanted the U.S. drone campaign to continue. So either support for the drones has bottomed out or there’s significant methodological discrepancies. The Pakistani firm that actually conducted the new poll of 1000 respondents across 120 FATA villages, the Community Appraisal and Motivation Programme, has polled the area for years.



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Here are some excerpts from a piece by David Pilling of Financial Times published recently:

(There have ben many a dire warning about Pakistan failing), yet Pakistan has survived. In its partial victories against Islamist militants it may even have made some kind of progress. It is all too easy to think of Pakistan as a failing – even a failed – state. But it might be better to see it as the state that refuses to fail.

To appreciate just how remarkable this is, cast your mind back to this dangerous year’s catalogue of fire and brimstone. First, following its victory in Swat, the army turned its attention on South Waziristan, bombarding militants in lawless areas bordering Afghanistan. Many considered that an important step, given the well-documented links between the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency and tribal militants, part of Pakistan’s quest for “strategic depth” in Afghanistan.

Second, and partly as a result of the army’s offensives, there has been a wave of counter-attacks on hotels, mosques and police stations. Last October, militants mounted a brazen raid on the supposedly impregnable headquarters of the 500,000-strong army. That led to alarm that men with beards and a less-than-glowing feeling towards America were getting perilously close to Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.

Third, Pakistan has had to adapt to a dramatic shift in US policy towards Afghanistan. In December, President Barack Obama ordered a surge of 30,000 extra troops, a military intensification that has sent militants scurrying across the border into Pakistan. Worse from Islamabad’s point of view, the US president has committed to drawing down those troops from next summer, a retreat, if it happens, that would once again leave Pakistan alone in a nasty neighbourhood.

Fourth, the economic outlook remains precarious. Pakistan just about avoided a balance of payments crisis which, at one point, saw its reserves dwindle to just one month’s import cover. But respite has come at the cost of being in hock to the International Monetary Fund, which has extended some $7bn in loans. With tax receipts at a miserable 9 per cent of output, it is unclear how it will make ends meet.

As if these man-made calamities were not enough, Pakistan has been drowning in the worst floods in its history. At one point, no less than one-fifth of the country was under water.....

Remarkably it has not been. Why not? A partial explanation for Pakistan’s staying power is that it has become an extortionary state that thrives on crisis...

There are more benign explanations too. The strength of civil society has helped. Many refugees from the floods, like those from Swat, have found temporary shelter with the networks of friends and relatives that bind the country together. The army’s response to the floods has also underscored, for better or worse, the efficiency of the state’s best-run institution. Even the civilian administration, weak and discredited as it is, has clung on. If, as now seems plausible, Mr Zardari can survive, power could yet be transferred from one democratically elected administration to another for the first time in Pakistan’s 63-year history.

One should not overstate Pakistan’s resilience. The world is rightly alarmed at the mayhem that rages at its centre. But, if you care to look on the bright side, you might conclude that, if Pakistan can survive a year like this, it can survive anything.

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Here are some excerpts from a Wall Street Journal report on suicide bombings teenage recruits in Pakistan:

KARACHI, Pakistan—The recruitment described by a 14-year-old alleged terrorist in this teeming port city shows the growing spread of a web of extremist groups in the region.

On Monday, Mohammad Salaam and two alleged members of the Pakistan Taliban, which is locked in a two-year-old war with the Pakistani state, were arrested by police as they allegedly prepared a suicide attack.

In an interview at a Karachi police station, with policemen present, Mr. Salaam described a short path to becoming a suicide bomber. "They would brainwash me by talking about jihad all the time," he said of his Pakistan Taliban minders. "I could feel it in my soul."

Mr. Salaam remains in detention, but hasn't been charged. Police said he will be released because he is a minor.

The Pakistan Taliban, which operate chiefly from remote tribal areas, have been able to forge deep ties in this city of 18 million, and in other cities and towns, through connections with local Islamist extremist groups that procure funds and recruit would-be suicide bombers.

Those bonds are one reason the Pakistani military is reluctant to act on mounting pressure from the U.S. to broaden its war in the tribal regions in the northwest of the country. U.S. officials say an offensive in the North Waziristan tribal region is needed to root out Afghan Taliban and allied groups that attack U.S. troops over the border in Afghanistan.

But Pakistan's military says such an operation would be met by an escalation of attacks by Pakistan Taliban and its allies, unleashing retaliatory strikes in Karachi and other major urban centers they have infiltrated across the country.

"There would be a wave of suicide bombings across Pakistan," said Gen. Athar Abbas, the military's chief spokesman.

After the current offensive against the Pakistan Taliban began two years ago, the group retaliated with attacks in several cities against government, police and military targets, as well as shrines seen by extremists as heretical.

The Pakistan Taliban claimed responsibility for an attack this month on Karachi's revered Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine, which killed eight people. An attack Monday on a shrine in southern Punjab killed five.

The group has also attracted recruits from outside Pakistan. The failed Times Square bomber, Faisal Shehzad, said he trained in North Waziristan with the Pakistan Taliban.

Links between the Pakistn Taliban, a network of militants mainly from the Pashtun Mehsud tribe of South Waziristan, and extremist groups in Karachi have deepened in recent months, local police say.

One of the men arrested on Monday, Sher Rehman, was an operative with the extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi who worked for the Pakistan Taliban, police officials said.

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi began in the 1990s in Pakistan's eastern Punjab province as a Sunni sectarian group targeting minority Shiites. Pakistan banned the group, along with a number of others, under U.S. pressure in 2001. Its fighters, largely ethnic Punjabis, many of whom had fought in Afghanistan and against Indian troops in Kashmir, sought shelter in the tribal regions, deepening bonds with the Taliban on both sides of the border.

It was Mr. Rehman's job to recruit fighters among Karachi's youth and to extort money from local businesses to provide funding, police said.

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Here are some excepts from Sherbano Taseer (Salman Taseer's daughter) interview with Pakistani Islamic scholar Javaid Ahmed Ghamidi as published in Newsweek Pakistan:

Are Islam and democracy compatible?

Yes, of course. Islam favors democratic societies. In the West, they have created democracies, which may have their shortcomings, but where people listen to one another, tolerate each other's opinions, and engage in dialogue. The majority opinion is made into law, and these laws can be criticized, debated freely, and amended based on people's beliefs.

There is furor in Pakistan over the blasphemy laws. What does the Quran say about punishing those who are proven to have committed blasphemy?

There is no punishment prescribed for blasphemy in the Quran or in the sayings of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). Some clerics cite the case of Ibn Akhtar, but they misinterpret that incident and make it about blasphemy. Man can make laws, and these should not be misused to unfairly target or victimize anyone. Islam specifically says that taking the life of an individual is tantamount to taking the life of all humanity. It is a crime. It is wrong. Allah says true Muslims are those in whose hands others are safe.
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Do you feel Pakistan can contain the extremist threat?

Let's start by not losing hope. We can contain it if we unite. There needs to be a new movement, by educated people, who can put pressure on the government so that, for one, education returns to being the responsibility of the state. Otherwise, this cancer of extremism will continue to spread. Pakistan has over 12,000 madrassahs with more than 2 million students. The countless clerics at these schools have immense sway, they have formed communities around themselves and they have weapons. And when power comes into the hands of such people—when we give them that power—you get what we have happening right now. There is nothing in the Quran or the Prophet's (peace be upon him) sayings to justify what the extremists are doing. We need to enter the playing field and correct this, and turn their arguments on their head. I have challenged them on every occasion for the past five years or so, and told them what they are saying is incorrect. They can only stay silent in return. Even in the matter of blasphemy they could not refute me, but I feel I am alone in this.
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So how do we change things?

People need to understand Islam themselves, there is no other way. We need to understand the religion and launch a movement to reform society. In the West, there was a reformation movement which needs to be replicated in the East. There is strength in our arguments. You can reason with these people if you reason strongly and with facts. Islam was initially spread by a handful of people. This is how you will get success and nobody will be able to refute it. The media has a lot of power and must use this power positively, spreading the message from house to house. But the reality is that we are not ready to take up this cause. The secularists and the elite are not ready to take this up, they are not ready to talk and engage especially about beliefs.

What role do you see religious scholars playing to improve our society?

They, like doctors and engineers, are experts in their field. Their role is not to pick up guns, but to argue with facts and to present their arguments logically and calmly. Their role is not to threaten or to preach in a hostile or forceful manner in the streets, but to inform and show people the right Islam. The unfortunate reality here is that those who claim to be adherents of Allah's word are actually quite unfamiliar with the faith.

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Here's a BBC report quoting Pakistan Human Rights Commission claiming 2500 deaths in militant violence in 2010:

More than 2,500 people were killed in militant attacks in Pakistan in 2010, according to the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP).

Nearly half of victims were civilians killed in suicide blasts. There were 67 such attacks last year, the group said.

The report also said at least 900 people had been killed in US drone strikes during the same period.

The number of people killed by the army is not mentioned, but it estimated to be in the region of 600-700.

Pakistani troops are battling insurgents across the north-west. Many of those it has killed are believed to be militants, but civilian lives have been lost too.

The HRCP is the main human rights watchdog in the country. Its findings are often disputed by the authorities, the BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Karachi says.

The group's findings show a rise in the numbers being killed in Pakistan's conflict.

BBC research published last July suggested 1,713 people had been killed by militants over the preceding 18 months, while 746 people had died in drone attacks during the same period.
'Increasing intolerance'

The HRCP released its data in its annual report on the state of human rights and security in Pakistan between January and December 2010.

"Pakistan's biggest problem continues to be violence carried out militants," HRCP chairman Mehdi Hasan said.

"In 2010, 67 suicide attacks were carried out across the country in which 1,169 people were killed," he said. "At least 1,000 of those were civilians."

Dr Hasan said that in all 2,542 people had been killed in militant attacks in the country last year.

He said the most glaring example of government oversight had been in Balochistan province, where targeted killings shot up rapidly with 118 people being killed in 2010.

Dr Hasan said the figure was set to increase in 2011, as the government seemed unconcerned about the unravelling of the law and order situation in Balochistan.

The HRCP report also spoke about increasing intolerance against religious minorities in the country.

It said 99 members of the Ahmedi (Qadiani) sect had been killed in attacks in 2010, while 64 people had been charged under the country's blasphemy law.

There was no immediate response to the report from the Pakistani authorities, nor was there any word from militant groups.

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Here's a Dawn report on Wikileaks cables regarding Saudi money funding militants in Southern Punjab:

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that “financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.”

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the “sophisticated jihadi recruitment network” operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab “traditionally hostile” to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a “network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs” being strengthened through an influx of “charity” which originally reached organisations “such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation”. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics “in order to expand these sects’ presence” in a relatively inhospitable yet “potentially fruitful recruiting ground”.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by “ostensibly ‘charitable’” organisations would later be introduced to a “local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana” who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and “find them employment in the service of Islam”. “Martyrdom” was also “often discussed”, with a final cash payment to the parents. “Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son,” the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits “chosen for jihad” would then be taken to “more sophisticated indoctrination camps”. “Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose”. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated “on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city”. These centres “were primarily used for indoctrination”, after which “youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas”.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their “failure to act” against “extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammad’s Masood Azhar”. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received “no support” in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, “blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties…neither the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan People’s Party federal governments would take his requests seriously”.

Riaz Haq said...

Here are some excerpts from Christian Science Monitor report on recent decline in terror attacks and casualties in Pakistan:

A downturn in major terror attacks in the second half of the year and an overall decrease in civilian casualties at the hands of terrorists point to better policing and a gradual decline in the potency of militant groups, say officials and experts.

"Earlier, the Taliban would come with heavy weapons and attack and kill and slaughter at will. Those days are gone," says Fiaz Toru, former inspector general for the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province, credited with implementing a set of sweeping reforms to combat the threat posed by terrorists surrounding the province's main city of Peshawar.

In Pakistan's major cities, there have been no spectacular attacks since a daring siege carried out over two days by Taliban militants on a Karachi naval base in May in revenge for the bin Laden raid. Some 1,022 civilians have fallen victim to bomb attacks in 2011. Barring a late-year surge, this represents the lowest figure in four years, according to monitoring conducted by the New Delhi-based South Asia Terrorism Portal (last year the figure was 1,547, and it stood at 1,688 the year before).

A major part of that has to do with the removal of soft targets, says Rifaat Hussain, a security analyst at the Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad: "They [now] have genuine difficulty carrying out spectacular attacks."

In Peshawar, that has meant equipping police with heavy weaponry including mortars, grenade launchers, and heavy guns, as well as deploying some 2,000 police at more than 42 checkpoints on the outskirts of the city, says Mr. Toru, the former inspector general, and arming citizens to create a community police force that can act as authorities' eyes and ears.

"We've adopted a policy of proactive policing," explains Toru. Police are now routinely sent on operations in Peshawar's suburbs to root out suspected militants and materials used to construct bombs. The police's increasing responsibility has been accompanied by a doubling of salary and an increase in "martyrdom payout" (a kind of life-insurance payout that now stands at some $35,000). Perhaps, too, the Pakistani Taliban are aware of the cost of suicide attacks, adds Dr. Hussain: Where once the public sympathized with militants, groups that carry out suicide attacks are now ostracized.
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Still, the overall picture is far from rosy: While organized terror strikes may be down, sectarian attacks carried out largely by LeJ against Shiite targets have in fact surged, particularly in the western province of Balochistan.

"The cities seem to be ominously quiet right now, but sectarian violence [in other areas] continues. A key test will be Muharram – how peaceful or how violent that will be," says Hussain, referring to the first month of the Islamic calendar, in which fighting is prohibited.

And while Pakistan's security forces may have gotten better at dealing with terrorism, Toru says internal reforms can only go so far. "I am optimistic, but the key lies in Afghanistan.… You need a stable Afghanistan to have a stable Pakistan. But we've come through the most critical phase of our struggle."


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2011/1123/In-Pakistan-downturn-in-major-Taliban-attacks-brings-cautious-optimism

Riaz Haq said...

Pakistan Taliban battered and splintering, reports AP-CBS:

Battered by Pakistani military operations and U.S. drone strikes, the once-formidable Pakistani Taliban has splintered into more than 100 smaller factions, weakened and is running short of cash, according to security officials, analysts and tribesmen from the insurgent heartland.

The group, allied with al-Qaida and based in the northwest close to the Afghan border, has been behind much of the violence tearing apart Pakistan over the last 4 1/2 years. Known as the Tehrik-e-Taliban, or TTP, the Taliban want to oust the U.S.-backed government and install a hard-line Islamist regime. They also have international ambitions and trained the Pakistani-American who tried to detonate a car bomb in New York City's Times Square in 2010.

"Today, the command structure of the TTP is splintered, weak and divided and they are running out of money," said Mansur Mahsud, a senior researcher at the FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Area) Research Center. "In the bigger picture, this helps the army and the government because the Taliban are now divided."

The first signs of cracks within the Pakistani Taliban appeared after its leader, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed in a drone strike in August 2009, Mahsud said. Since then, the group has steadily deteriorated.

Set up in 2007, the Pakistani Taliban is an umbrella organization created to represent roughly 40 insurgent groups in the tribal belt plus al-Qaida-linked groups headquartered in Pakistan's eastern Punjab province.

"In the different areas, leaders are making their own peace talks with the government," Mahsud added. "It could help the Pakistani government and military separate more leaders from the TTP and more foot soldiers from their commanders."

The two biggest factors hammering away at the Taliban's unity are U.S. drone strikes and Pakistani army operations in the tribal region.

Turf wars have flared as militants fleeing the Pakistani military operations have moved into territory controlled by other militants, sometimes sparking clashes between groups. And as leaders have been killed either by drones or the Pakistani army, lieutenants have fought among themselves over who will replace them.

"The disintegration ... has accelerated with the Pakistan military operation in South Waziristan and the drone attacks by the United States in North Waziristan," Mahsud said, referring to the two tribal agencies that are the heartland of the Pakistani Taliban.

Another factor is the divide-and-conquer strategy Pakistan's military has long employed in its dealings with militants. Commanders have broken away from the TTP and set up their own factions, weakening the organization. Battles have broken out among the breakaway factions, and in one particularly remote tribal region the TTP was thrown out. These growing signs of fissures among the disparate groups that make up the Pakistani Taliban indicate the military's strategy could be paying off.
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Analysts predict that over time, however, the internecine feuding in the Pakistani Taliban will take a toll on militants fighting in Afghanistan, making it increasingly difficult for them to find recruits and restricting territory available to them.
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Cooperation between the U.S. and Pakistan suffered a serious setback a week ago when NATO aircraft killed 24 Pakistani soldiers at two border posts. The Nov. 26 incident seems certain to blunt any prospect of Pakistan taking direct steps to curb the Haqqani network, analysts say.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501712_162-57336276/pakistani-taliban-splintering-into-factions/

Riaz Haq said...

Here's Daily Times on Pakistan Society of Criminology report:

The Pakistan Society of Criminology (PSC) on Tuesday launched a special publication on ‘Policing Terrorism and Radicalism’ outlining the police role in ongoing battle against terrorism in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP).

Edited by Queensland University Prof Geoff Dean, it is also the 12th issue of the PSC. The society has also launched, ‘Towards a Functional Juvenile Justice System in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’ and two training manuals on juvenile justice. PSC President Fasihuddin has written the publications. The manuals are the first of its kind in Pakistan. KP Inspector General Akbar Khan Hoti, chief guest on the occasion, praised the role of the PSC in identifying weak spots in police through research. “If we can win over people, we can win over the terrorists/criminals,” he spoke on the occasion. He also talked about the outdated syllabus being taught to police officers, adding that such courses could not help fight terrorism successfully.

Hoti praised the research-based articles contained in the journal, adding that some of KP Police officials were contributing to the Police Department and society through their strategic thinking and collecting data and its analysis. While appreciating the efforts of the PSC president and his team, he said that he would definitely be waiting for more researches published by the society. Assistant IG (Special Branch) Syed Akhtar Ali Shah presented his critical views about the academic achievements of the PSC and its publication, ‘Pakistan Journal of Criminology’. He said that PSC was the name of “creativity and hard work”.

Prof Dr Adnan Sarwar Khan, director of the Institute of Regional Studies at the University of Peshawar, critically evaluated the journal. He recommended that the journal should be provided to all law colleges and libraries of the police and educational institutions in the country. Fasih said the PSC was committed to carrying out original and value-free research work. He said that he would help law enforcement agencies in designing training curriculum and courses on human rights, de-radicalisation and community engagement. Uzma Mehboob, a worker of Khwendo Kor (sisters’ home), spoke on the role of civil society in promoting human protection, development and research-based policies. Police officials, the Peshawar police chief, the Elite Police commandant, the former IG (prisons), the Australian Federal Police consultant, the Counterterrorism Wing commandant, the superintendent of police (research), the Establishment AIG, senior superintendents of police (operations and coordination), the SP (traffic), the SP (rural) and teachers of the University of Peshawar were present


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\04\25\story_25-4-2012_pg7_10

Riaz Haq said...

Here's a Washington Post story on Indian intelligence agency's incompetence:

India’s intelligence agency sparked outrage in Pakistan and self-deprecatory jokes at home this week after it listed ordinary Pakistani shopkeepers as dreaded terrorists on a mission to attack some of India’s landmark institutions.

The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), India’s premier intelligence agency, issued an advisory to state governments, saying five trained militants from Pakistan’s banned Lashkar-i-Taiba group had sneaked into India with fake identities to attack a nuclear facility, oil refinery, sea port and defense academy.

On Wednesday, a day after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton left New Delhi after some tough talk on Pakistan, the Mumbai police released the names and photographs of the five men.

Within hours, a Pakistani television channel claimed that three of the men on the list were shopkeepers and a guard living in Lahore.

“India Bungles, Pak laughs,” the Mail Today newspaper said of the embarrassing blunder. Twitter buzzed with unflattering jokes about India’s RAW, with some tweeters offering their own list to the agency.

The revelations sparked outrage in Pakistan. Muhammad Fayyaz Butt, the head of a traders’ association for an electronics market where two of the suspects own shops, condemned India’s “irresponsible and biased attitude.”

The two shopkeepers went to the Lahore High Court on Thursday, seeking protection from possible action against them by India.

Indian Law Minister Salman Khurshid offered an explanation to reporters in New Delhi on Friday: “We can’t be too careful. We have had some bad experiences in the past. And therefore to err on the right side is something we can’t complain about.”

It was not the first time that India has made such a faux pas. A year ago, the government released a most-wanted list of 50 Indian fugitives who it claimed were hiding in Pakistan. Two men on the list turned out to be in India, one of them a prisoner in a Mumbai jail.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/2012/05/11/gIQARIQ3HU_story.html