tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post1460004975497086769..comments2024-03-18T16:01:13.871-07:00Comments on Haq's Musings: Demolishing Indian War Myths about PakistanRiaz Haqhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-50522839677556471752021-03-21T10:50:34.007-07:002021-03-21T10:50:34.007-07:00TS: " Surprising that anyone with even a fain...TS: " Surprising that anyone with even a faint interest/knowledge of military history can can continue to have 'magnificient delusions' as far as the Indo-Pak wars and the military equation is concerned."<br /><br />Has Pakistan lost all wars to India? Indian defense analyst Pravin Sawhney says NO! In fact, Sawhney argues that Pakistan has never lost to India. Not in 1965, nor in 1971 nor Kargil!! <br /><br />https://www.riazhaq.com/2020/09/defense-of-pakistan-day-has-pakistan.htmlRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-13908082386445328182021-03-21T09:27:05.570-07:002021-03-21T09:27:05.570-07:00Surprising that anyone with even a faint interest/...Surprising that anyone with even a faint interest/knowledge of military history can can continue to have 'magnificient delusions' as far as the Indo-Pak wars and the military equation is concerned.<br /><br />1947-48: Started by Pak to get Kashmir, aim partially achieved. India lost what is today POK. India lost the war.<br />1965: Started by Pak to get remainder of Kashmir, aim not achieved. PAF definitely put up a better performance. In terms of aircraft lost, almost equal, perhaps India lost more aircraft; but definitely not what Chuck Yaeger says. Territory gained; India had a slight edge. Equipment and AFV's lost- Pak sufferred more losses.<br />1971: Started by India, Pak dismembered, aim achieved.<br />Siachen: Unoccupied territory claimed by both countries occupied by India. Desperate attempts by Pak to regain territory and initiative nullified each and every time.<br />1999: Kargil, started by Pak, aim not achieved. A great embarrassment to the Pak military junta and political leadership.<br /><br />Ofcourse, 1947-48 and the 1965 wars were more of stalemates-- in terms of whether the aggressor (Pak) achieved its overall military aim -- the answer is NO.<br /><br />And as Dennis Kuk says, India won the 65 war by simply 'not losing'. Agreed.<br /><br />If you want to claim 71 war as a Pak victory, so be it.<br /><br />And if you claim that the Kargil war was again started by India and was a Pak victory; so be it. The most reprehensible episodes of this war were the refusal by Pak to accept the bodies of their soldiers and the dismemberment of the body of the IAF pilot.<br /><br />I daresay, Chtistine Fair has summed it up very nicely-- it is Pakistan's way of war!!<br /><br />On the other hand, Prawin Samy and many other journalists, generals and writers quoted in your article are correct. Indian timidity, lack of political will, military incompetence- are responsible for all, repeat all the Indo- Pak wars being 'victories' for Pak.<br /><br /><br />Any lesson learnt by India? Yes.<br /><br />Never go to the UN, as happened in 47-48 and 65. Stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.<br /><br />And now the military strength, political and military will, equipment in terms of aircraft, ships, tanks, infantry, artillery as well as the economy and industrial infra structure to sustain a war is manifold to India's advantage.<br /> Tony Saraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081768324485723984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-67279433075662018522020-06-06T16:27:43.165-07:002020-06-06T16:27:43.165-07:00#Indian Defense Analyst Dr. Pravin Sawhney: "...#Indian Defense Analyst Dr. Pravin Sawhney: "PAKISTAN HAS NEVER LOST TO INDIA. NOT IN 1965! NOT IN 1971! IF INDIA HAD DEFEATED PAKISTAN, THERE WOULD BE NO LINE OF CONTROL IN KASHMIR TODAY". #India #Pakistan #China #Kashmir #CPEC | | JNN | https://youtu.be/QfhG-vtLfUs via @YouTube Watch at 33 Minutes in 43:12 Minutes video interviewRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-3816253315223351482020-04-28T16:39:03.569-07:002020-04-28T16:39:03.569-07:00Pakistan has never actually attacked India proper....Pakistan has never actually attacked India proper.<br /><br />Pakistan’s actions have always been in Kashmir, which it believes is an occupation, and legitimate theater for action.<br /><br />India twice attacked Pakistan across the International Border in 1965 and 1971.<br /><br />No country other than #India recognizes #Kashmir to be part of India. The international community rejects India's claim on Kashmir. <br /><br />Listen to this #JNU Professor Nevidita Menon explain why Kashmir is not and has never been part of India.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/KWp1E8xrY5ERiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-86269902673963182732019-09-19T00:58:05.038-07:002019-09-19T00:58:05.038-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Usmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886117723119310743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-58082043481509803172019-04-19T15:32:00.692-07:002019-04-19T15:32:00.692-07:00#Indian defense analyst Pravin Sawhney: Fighting t...#Indian defense analyst Pravin Sawhney: Fighting tactical battles for one-upmanship. #Rafale and #S400 would certainly help Indian Air Force, but would not tilt the operational level balance in #India’s favor in conflict with #Pakistan https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/fighting-tactical-battles-for-one-upmanship/760082.html via @thetribunechd<br /><br />The issue, thus, is about tactics and operational level of war. The Pakistan military, learning from the Soviet Union, has always given importance to the operational level. This is why in the 1965 and 1971 wars, despite being more in bean-counting of assets, India never won in the western sector. Proof of this are the ceasefire line and the Line of Control, which otherwise would have been converted into international borders.<br /><br />The situation, regrettably, remains the same today. Separate doctrines of the Army and the Air Force, and with each service doing its own training is evidence that no amount of modernisation would help if the focus of service chiefs remains on tactics. For example, after the Balakot operation, a senior Air Force officer told me that the PAF would not last more than six days. He believed in tactical linear success. What about the other kinetic and non-kinetic forces which impact at the operational level?<br /><br />This is not all. Retired senior Air Force officers started chest-thumping about the Balakot airstrike having set the new normal. Some argued that air power need not be escalatory, while others made the case for the use of air power in counter-terror operations like the Army. Clearly, they all were talking tactics, not war. Had India retaliated to the PAF’s counter-strike, what it called an act of war, an escalation was assured. It is another matter that PM Narendra Modi had only bargained for the use of the IAF for electoral gains. <br /><br />Talking of tactics, Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa spoke about relative technological superiority. Perhaps, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman would not have strayed into Pakistani airspace if his MiG-21 Bison had Software Defined Radio (SDR) and Operational Data Link (ODL). The SDR operates in the VHF, UHF, Ku and L bandwidths and is meant to remove voice clutter. The ODL provides the pilot with data or text, in this case from the ground controller. The officer, separated from his wing-man, and without necessary voice and data instructions, unwittingly breached the airspace and was captured by the Pakistan army. There are known critical shortages of force multipliers in addition to force levels in the IAF. Surely, the IAF Chief can’t do much except keep asking the government to fill the operational voids. But, he could avoid making exaggerated claims since his words would only feed the ultra-nationalists, and support the Modi government’s spurious argument of having paid special attention to national security.<br /><br />The same is the case with Rafale and S-400. These would certainly help, but would not tilt the operational level balance in India’s favour. For example, the IAF intends to use S-400 in the ‘offensive air defence’ role rather than its designed role of protecting high-value targets like Delhi, for which it was originally proposed. For the protection of high-value targets, the Air Headquarters has made a strong case to purchase the United States’ National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System (NASAMS). This is ironic, because while S-400 can destroy hostile ballistic missiles, NASAMS can’t do so. It can only kill cruise missiles and other aerial platforms. The thinking at the Air Headquarters is that since there is no understanding on the use of ballistic missiles — especially with Pakistan — both sides are likely to avoid the use of ballistic missiles with conventional warheads lest they are misread and lead to a nuclear accident. So, NASAMS may probably never be called upon to take on ballistic missiles.<br /><br />Given the direction of the relationship between the India and Pakistan, this assumption may not be the best to make when procuring prohibitively expensive high-value assets.<br /><br />Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-51462295172351814842018-05-31T13:48:36.241-07:002018-05-31T13:48:36.241-07:00
VK Singh on Gen Musharraf Kargil War 1999 Victory...<br />VK Singh on Gen Musharraf Kargil War 1999 Victory Of Pakistan<br /><br /><br />Gen Pervez Musharraf has received praise for coming deep into Indian territory in Kargil in 1999 from former Indian Army Chief Gen V K Singh, who said it showed the courage of a military commander.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/EFimpKTuRzgRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-90213753619204571702016-06-22T10:42:09.830-07:002016-06-22T10:42:09.830-07:00From Indian Defense Review on 1971 ground war on w...From Indian Defense Review on 1971 ground war on western front:<br /><br />The major Indian gains claimed in terms of area were about 3,200 square kilometres in the Ladakh region under Lt Gen Sartaj Singh and 1,200 square kilometres. under Lt Gen G G Bewoor in the Rajasthan Desert. In both regions these gains lay in farflung, desolate, uninhabited and difficult areas of negligible economic, strategic and political value which could hurt the rulers of Pakistan only in their prestige. <br /><br />On the other hand, Sartaj Singh lost the area of Chhamb, where the aftermath of the refugee problem still haunts the Jammu and Kashmir administration. The loss of the Kasowala bulge, the Hussainiwala enclave and the Fazilka agricultural belt in Punjab could not be equated with marginal gains in the Sehjra bulge and the Mamdot enclave in economic, military or political terms. The Indian occupation of the major portion of the Shakargarh bulge was somewhat embarrassing to the Bhutto government in v .. <br /><br />Rawlley lost more than he gained in Punjab. The loss of Hussainiwala, the Fazilka cotton track and Chhina Bidhi Chand were inexcusable. The battle in this sector was a peripheral loss and gain of border outposts and nothing more. <br /><br /><br />Read more at:<br />http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/1971-assessment-of-campaign-in-the-western-sector/Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-42033436374573212032016-06-20T19:49:00.654-07:002016-06-20T19:49:00.654-07:00Indian Defense Review on the sinking of INS Khukri...Indian Defense Review on the sinking of INS Khukri by PNS Hangor: “In this spectacular action which took place about 30 miles south of Diu off the Indian Kathiawar coast. KHUKRI the ship of the Squadron Commander of the 14th Frigate Squadron was sunk within two minutes after receiving a hit in the magazine where explosives were stowed. 18 officers and 176 sailors including the Commanding Officer who deliberately stayed back on the sinking ship lost their lives. This came as a shattering blow to the Indian Navy deflating in one stroke the exuberance generated by highly exaggerated success stories of the missile attacks at ships off Karachi. <br /><br />Read more at:<br />http://www.indiandefencereview.com/interviews/1971-war-sinking-of-the-khukri/<br />Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-24123310684073087842016-06-20T19:37:20.476-07:002016-06-20T19:37:20.476-07:00Indian Warship INS Khukhri was sunk by a Pakistani...Indian Warship INS Khukhri was sunk by a Pakistani sub. Ghazi was sunk in a mine-laying accident, not by enemy. Indian Navy stayed away from Karachi after the sinking of INS Khukri which was the heaviest loss of life in a single incident in the entire war in which 18 Indian Navy officers and 178 sailors perished. Rishi Raj Sood, captain of INS Kirpan - which was accompanying Khukri, fled the scene. “We were hoping that Kirpan, our sister ship would come to rescue us but we saw her sailing away from the area”, Commander Manu Sharma, a survivor of Khukri, has been quoted by Cardozo as having said.<br /><br />“An early rescue was what everyone hoped for. We thought that at least INS Kirpan would send boat for our rescue, but no rescue boat came from INS Kirpan” Lt Commander SK Basu, who was aboard Khukri and survived the Pakistani attack, told Cardozo. Sood perhaps could have saved the lives of at least some of the 194 people (18 officers and 176 sailors) who died in the attack on Khukri. He continues to defend himself saying that in no way he can disclose the secret behind his questionable action. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110110/main4.htmRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-12309641332371697482016-06-20T13:04:34.402-07:002016-06-20T13:04:34.402-07:00Pakistan Navy sunk an Indian warship INS Khukri in...Pakistan Navy sunk an Indian warship INS Khukri in 1971, the first such sinking of a warship since WW2 by a submarine. After the attack on Khukri, the Indian Navy ceased its attacks on Karachi and moved the focus of its operations to East Pakistan ports like Chittagong and Cox's <br /><br />To date, Khukri is the only ship lost in combat in the history of the Indian Navy.[2][3][9] Over 18 officers and 176 sailors were lost in the sinking.[3][9] The captain, Mahendra Nath Mulla, chose to go down with the sinking ship. He refused to abandon ship, and passed his life-jacket to a junior officer. He has remained so far the only Indian captain to go down with a vessel.[3][9] He was posthumously awarded India's second-highest military honour, the Maha Vir Chakra.[3][9]<br /><br />A memorial to the dead sailors exists at Diu. 20°42′10″N 70°58′37″E The memorial consists of a scale model of Khukri encased in a glass house, placed atop a hillock facing the sea. The memorial was inaugurated by Vice Admiral Madhvendra Singh as the flag officer commanding-in-chief.[4]<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Khukri_(F149)<br /><br />Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-53738894237230959792016-01-29T10:04:54.493-08:002016-01-29T10:04:54.493-08:00#Pakistan Air Force pilot M.M. Alam among 7 of the...#Pakistan Air Force pilot M.M. Alam among 7 of the Greatest Flying Aces in World Aviation History - http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/g2323/greatest-flying-aces/ … via @PopMech<br /><br /><br />A dogfight between two aircraft is perhaps the most fascinating type of combat. The technical knowledge and precision required to operate a fighter aircraft combined with the physical and mental strain of a dogfight make the fighter pilots who excel at them truly exceptional.<br /><br />Unofficially, a flying ace is a fighter pilot who shoots down at least five enemy aircraft, though the number a single pilot can achieve has steadily decreased because anti-aircraft and tracking technology has made dogfights rare in modern warfare. From Erich Hartmann, the Nazi fighter pilot credited with the most aerial victories of all time, to Giora Epstein, the ace of aces of supersonic jet pilots, these men are among the most skilled fighter pilots to ever enter a cockpit.<br /><br /><br />Muhammad Mahmood Alam was a Pakistani Air Force jet fighter pilot in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965. He was the last fighter pilot to become an ace in a day, shooting down five Indian Hawker Hunter fighter jets in less than a minute on September 7 1965, the last four of which he downed within 30 seconds. A national hero in Pakistan, Alam holds the world record for becoming an ace in the shortest amount of time. This bold feat also makes him the only jet pilot to become an ace in one day. Alam was already a respected leader and proficient pilot and gunner when the war started in April 1965. He piloted an F-86 Sabre and downed a total of nine Indian Hawker Hunters in the 1965 war, as well as damaging two others.<br /><br />Top 7: <br /><br />Manfred von Richthofen - World War I<br /><br />Erich Hartmann - World War II<br /><br />James Jabara - Korean War<br /><br />Muhammad Mahmood Alam - Indo-Pakistani War<br /><br />Charles B. DeBellevue - Vietnam War<br /><br />Giora Epstein - Arab–Israeli Wars<br /><br />Cesar Rodriguez - Gulf WarRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-89965407007425452015-12-26T22:15:11.123-08:002015-12-26T22:15:11.123-08:00Welldone Mr Riaz, well done. Yet again a well writ...Welldone Mr Riaz, well done. Yet again a well written piece by our very own Mr Riaz. God bless you. Keep writing such wonderful article, you should definitely voice your opinions in mainstream Pakistani media as well. We are badly in need of more political analysts and strategists like you in our country. P.s Pakistan`s victories in Rann of Katch were remarkable. VisionHawknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-53746374331127447702015-11-04T13:28:12.133-08:002015-11-04T13:28:12.133-08:00The Field Marshal speaks. "The Pakistan Army ...The Field Marshal speaks. "The Pakistan Army in East Pakistan fought very gallantly. But they had no chance. They were a thousand miles away from their base. And I had eight or nine months to make my preparations [while they were being worn out in a counter insurgency war against the secessionist forces of the Mukti Bahini]. I had a superiority of almost fifty-to-one." From the BBC archives.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y13qEyxKHy4<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-tgRl_VK_QRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-2108192282830158012015-10-16T07:48:50.809-07:002015-10-16T07:48:50.809-07:00US President JFK stopped #Pakistan from attacking ...US President JFK stopped #Pakistan from attacking ‘vulnerable’ #India in 1962 #China war: Ex-#CIA official http://tribune.com.pk/story/973912/us-stopped-pakistan-from-attacking-vulnerable-india-in-62-ex-cia-official/ …<br /><br />Former US President John F Kennedy had played a “decisive role” in “forestalling a Pakistani attack” on India during the 1962 Sino-India war, even as Pakistan was capable of taking advantage of the situation to take control of Indian-occupied Kashmir, Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official, has revealed in his book.<br /><br />“Pakistan was clearly capable of initiating war with India, but decided in 1962 not to take advantage of India’s vulnerability,” Riedel wrote in his book titled JFK’s Forgotten Crisis: Tibet, the CIA and the Sino-Indian War.<br /><br />The book also revealed that on October 28, 1962, the day before former Indian prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru asked for American military help, then US ambassador to Pakistan Walter McConaughy met with the then Pakistani ruler Ayub Khan.<br /><br />“The Ambassador urged him to send assurances to Nehru that Pakistan would not take advantage of India’s war with China,” Riedel wrote.<br /><br />In response to that, Khan suggested that “the Americans and Pakistanis work together to seek the surrender of Indian territory just as the Chinese were grabbing land”. However, the US considered this as ‘blackmail’.<br /><br />Riedel also wrote that the then US ambassador to India J K Galbraith sent an ‘alarming telegram’ to Washington and Karachi, asking, “for God’s sake that they keep Kashmir out” of any American message to Pakistan. US immediately sided with Galbraith on Kashmir and advised Nehru to write a letter to Ayub Khan.<br /><br />“Kennedy’s message to Ayub Khan, reinforced by a similar message from [then British] prime minister [Harold] Macmillan, left little in doubt that the US and the UK would view a Pakistani move against India as a hostile and aggressive action inconsistent with the SEATO and CENTO Treaties,” he wrote.<br /><br />“The Americans told Pakistan that the Chinese attack was the most dangerous move made by Mao since 1950 and that they intended to respond decisively,” he added.<br /><br />The book also disclosed that as India began to lose territory to China, Nehru asked for US help in the war and wrote to Kennedy asking him to provide jet fighters to defeat the Chinese. “A lot more effort, both from us and from our friends will be required,” Nehru wrote in his letter.<br /><br />In a state of panic, Nehru wrote another letter to Kennedy which was hand-delivered by the then Indian ambassador to the US on November 19.<br /><br />“Nehru was thus asking Kennedy to join the war against China by partnering in an air war to defeat the PLA (Peoples Liberation Army of China). It was a momentous request that the Indian Prime Minister was making. Just a decade after American forces had reached a ceasefire with the Chinese Community Forces in Korea, India was asking JFK to join a new war against Community China,” Riedel wrote.<br /><br />According to Riedel, Nehru asked for 12 squadrons of US air forces, as well as, “two squadrons of B-47 Bombers” to strike in Tibet. “A minimum of 12 squadrons of supersonic all-weather fighters are essential. We have no modern radar cover in the country. The United States Air Force personnel will have to man these fighters and radar installations while our personnel are being trained,” Nehru wrote in the letter.<br /><br />Further, in the letter, Nehru assured Kennedy that these bombers would not be used against Pakistan, but only for “resistance against the Chinese.”<br /><br />Nehru had also written to Britain for help. However, China soon announced unilateral ceasefire, fearing that both Britain and the United States were preparing to help India win the war.<br /><br />Riedel admits that although we will never know what the specifics of American assistance to India would have been if the war had continued, “We can be reasonably certain that America, India and probably Great Britain would have been at war together with China”.Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-66631373988171351062015-09-07T03:08:08.627-07:002015-09-07T03:08:08.627-07:00Hi Riaz Bhai
Why you are wasting your...Hi Riaz Bhai<br /> Why you are wasting your time with Indians, they are only good in talking as such coward ppl like it was as mentioned in post the coward Major general hide in fields.<br />Only Ghurka's and Punjabies having some guts to fight but rest are loosers(2000 years history shows) as sub-continent was under muslim from more than 1000 years so Hindu's banyas got indian country just 50 years back now they become so rude and crazy and propagate little victory to huge one and can't accept there defeat.<br /><br />Officially Pakistan defeat India at 1965 war by pushing back indians to there home and put there dreams to the end.<br /><br />Unofficially-- Nobody win the war. as Pakistan plan to capture whole kashmire was fail as pak send mujhiddeen with help of some regular forces. While indians were fail to defeat Pakistan at punjab side. So in results Indians gain 10000 Sq kilomeetrs area from Pakistan and pakistan took 5000 sq kilometrs areas. Indians were fails at Air field and faced heavy losses. While indian took little more land than Pak.Khannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-17240990357885877412015-05-12T13:10:31.417-07:002015-05-12T13:10:31.417-07:00Gen Chuck Yeager, legendary pilot who broke sound ...Gen Chuck Yeager, legendary pilot who broke sound barrier, praising #Pakistan PAF pilots Riaz Haq added,<br /><br /><br />Chuck Yeager @GenChuckYeager<br /><br /><br />Q: What did u think of Pakistan pilots? A: When I was there in 1971-73, they were the best. They kicked the Indians butt!Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-88234953324059295752015-03-04T13:40:32.885-08:002015-03-04T13:40:32.885-08:00Anon: "Do you realise that an unbiased versio...Anon: "Do you realise that an unbiased version can be found about these events on Wikipedia?"<br /><br />Do you realize that Wikipedia entries can be edited by any user, making it heavily biased rather than unbiased? <br /><br />The rest of your comment is just wishful thinking. Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-49021216671881828412015-03-04T13:25:29.751-08:002015-03-04T13:25:29.751-08:00Riaz,
Do you realise that an unbiased version can...Riaz,<br /><br />Do you realise that an unbiased version can be found about these events on Wikipedia?<br /><br />Also, who beat whom does not matter, all that matters now is that India has essentially fenced off Pakistan to keep all the crap from Pakistan from flowing into India.<br /><br />Create a strong economy, build a stron military, wait for Pakistan to collapse internally (while ensuring that the jihadis don;t get thier hands on nukes), and become a regional hegemon. Then, get a Security Council seat.<br /><br />India would then have arrived on the world stage as a junior global power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-47223486238755472742014-10-15T10:56:50.885-07:002014-10-15T10:56:50.885-07:00Mani-Talk: We Have Not Terrified #Pakistan Into Su...Mani-Talk: We Have Not Terrified #Pakistan Into Submission. #India #Narendramodi #Kashmir http://www.ndtv.com/article/opinion/mani-talk-we-have-not-terrified-the-pakistanis-into-submission-606363 … via @ndtv<br /><br />Arun Jaitley thumps his chest and proclaims that we have given the Pakis a "jaw-breaking reply" (munh tod jawab). Oh yeah? The Pakistanis are still there - with their jaw quite intact and a nuclear arsenal nestling in their pockets. Rajnath Singh adds that the Pakis had best understand that "a new era has dawned". How? Is retaliatory fire a BJP innovation? Or is it that we have we ceased being peace-loving and become a war-mongering nation? And Modi thunders that his guns will do the talking (boli nahin, goli). Yes - and for how long? <br /><br />--------<br /><br />When a young band of Serbian terrorists slipped into Bosnia to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the Government of Serbia did not know, even as it is entirely likely that the Government of Pakistan did not know that Ajmal Kasab and his gang had slipped into Mumbai to target the iconic Taj Hotel. But, as in India, so in Austria, the suspicion was so strong that there were rogue elements in the Serbian establishment that were backing the terrorists, no proof was needed: suspicion amounted to conviction. Therefore, when the Serbian terrorists struck, assassinating the heir-apparent to the Austro-Hungarian throne, the Empire needed no conclusive proof that the Serbian government was behind the assassination. It knew, as India "knew", that 26/11 was master-minded by the Government of Pakistan. And even as the Pakistan government denied any involvement in such cross-border terrorism and undertook to set in train an investigation into the dastardly terrorist attack, so also, a hundred years earlier, did Serbia condemn the assassination and offer to investigate and bring to justice those responsible. <br /><br />But Vienna would not be appeased. An eight-point ultimatum was sent to Serbia demanding full acceptance of the eight conditions within a month. Eventually, after much hemming and hawing, Belgrade accepted seven of the conditions but baulked at the eighth - that a joint Austrian-Serbian investigation be launched into the assassination. That was enough for Vienna to insist that if all conditions were not fulfilled, the far more powerful Austro-Hungarian forces would reduce Serbia to rubble in a matter of days.<br /><br />The threat was meant to cow the Serbians. The Serbians went as far as they could, but baulked at abject surrender. In consequence, military plans began to roll - to the alarm of both Emperor Franz Joseph of Austro-Hungary as well as the German Kaiser whose belligerence was pushing Vienna further and further down the road to disaster. Their political misgivings were entirely understandable. For Russia had declared that any military action against her Slav cousin would invite Russian retaliation against both Austria and Germany. At the same time, Germany had made it clear that her first target was France. Treaty obligations made it incumbent for France to come to Russia's rescue and vice versa in the event of war. Britain was committed to entering the war in these circumstances. The very balance of power that was supposed to have kept the peace in Europe for a hundred years was now pushing the world to the brink. <br /><br />To prevent this catastrophe, the two Emperors who had been the loudest in proclaiming a "munh thod jawab" to Serbia tried at the last moment to stop the guns from booming, but were over-ruled by their respective military hierarchies. War was launched. The mighty Austro-Hungarian Empire conquered Serbia but ended up losing the War and disappearing from the map of the world....<br /><br /><br />http://www.ndtv.com/article/opinion/mani-talk-we-have-not-terrified-the-pakistanis-into-submission-606363Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-88920230021016550422014-09-07T00:02:49.944-07:002014-09-07T00:02:49.944-07:00I think Pakistan have all the reason to be suspici...I think Pakistan have all the reason to be suspicious of any move by Hindu nationalist dominant force. After their role in East Pakistan . Kashmir and siachin. And Indian involvement in training and financing terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistan is small resourcesare less and it is pakPakistan who under constant threat from very poor but big India. On the other hand 70% of poor people in the world live just in India so, to divert attention from their needs and demands India have to start some kind of thrill. Pakistan sells in India but India does not sell in Pakistan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-35801272031025632842013-11-29T07:42:41.538-08:002013-11-29T07:42:41.538-08:00Here's Hindustan Times on Indian Army lies abo...Here's <a href="http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/chandigarh/new-book-claims-to-nail-longewala-lies/article1-1156480.aspx" rel="nofollow">Hindustan Times</a> on Indian Army lies about the Battle of Logewala in 1971 in Rajhastan:<br /><br /><i>One of the most glorious moments of the Indian Army, the victory in the Battle of Longewala in the 1971 war with Pakistan, is based on blatant falsehood, claims an upcoming book by a general decorated in the same operations.<br /><br /><br />The battle was immortalised by the 1997 Bollywood blockbuster "Border", starring Sunny Deol as victorious army hero major Kuldip Singh Chandpuri. In a tell-all account of one of the first engagements in the western sector during the 14-day war, major general Atma Singh (retd) has alleged that the army's version of the battle is built on "exaggerated claims" when it had little to do with crushing Pakistani forces.<br /><br />Atma Singh, then a major, has credited the Indian Air Force for saving the day for the country. He was commanding the No. 12 Air Observation Post (AOP) flight, tasked with directing close air support firepower toward enemy targets. AOP units were under the IAF. "If our own troops had vacated the post (Longewala) at first light on December 5, then when and where was the big battle of Longewala fought?" he questions in his book, "Battle of Longewala: The Real Story", which will hit the stands on December 3, the day the war began 42 years ago....</i><br /><br />http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/chandigarh/new-book-claims-to-nail-longewala-lies/article1-1156480.aspxRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-45401555307273597442012-09-07T08:40:37.824-07:002012-09-07T08:40:37.824-07:00Who attacked first and started 1965 war? Here'...Who attacked first and started 1965 war? Here's a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/6/newsid_3632000/3632092.stm" rel="nofollow">BBC report</a> on Sept 6, 1965:<br /><br /><b>1965: Indian Army invades W Pakistan</b><br /><br />Indian troops have invaded West Pakistan, crossing the border at three points in an attack which appears to be aimed mainly at the city of Lahore.<br /><br />Authorities in Delhi say their action was intended to prevent a direct attack by Pakistani forces against India.<br /><br />On 25 August, Pakistani soldiers launched a covert operation across the ceasefire line, established in 1949 after the first Indo-Pakistani war, into Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir.<br /><br />Since then there have been a number of clashes along the ceasefire line, but this is the first time Indian troops have crossed into West Pakistan in what is being seen as an act of war. <br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/6/newsid_3632000/3632092.stm Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-32679683638558175192011-12-17T19:44:19.393-08:002011-12-17T19:44:19.393-08:00Here are parts of a Daily Times Op Ed by Javed Jab...Here are parts of a <a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C12%5C17%5Cstory_17-12-2011_pg3_5" rel="nofollow">Daily Times</a> Op Ed by Javed Jabbar on 40th anniversary of the Fall of Dhaka: <br /><br /><i>In the narrative adopted by Bangladesh and echoed by India and most of global discourse, about three million Bengalis were killed and about 300,000 women were allegedly raped by the Pakistan Army during the nine-month conflict resulting in the secession of Bangladesh. These numbers fail spectacularly on the anvil of factual scrutiny, documentation and rationality. In the 262 days between March 26 and December 16, 1971, Pakistan’s armed forces did not exceed 45,000 troops at optimal levels. The 90,000 prisoners-of-war held by India included over 50,000 non-combatant, unarmed West Pakistani civilians.<br /><br />Spread out in small, embattled formations across East Pakistan, facing a newly unfriendly or uneasy population, an India-supported insurgency, preparing for an Indian invasion, constantly under-supplied and under-equipped, the Pakistani forces would have had to kill 11,450 Bengalis and rape 1,145 women every single day for 262 days to reach the levels claimed. Not a single credible document has been cited in 40 years to substantiate such absurd allegations of scale.<br /><br />By unverified frequent repetition of the grotesque figures, the names of Pakistan and Pakistan’s armed forces have become synonymous with the charge of a ‘genocide’ in East Pakistan, which actually never took place. The unfounded charge amounts to the character assassination of a nation’s armed forces.<br /><br />The Pakistani version is diametrically different. The official Commission of Inquiry headed by a former chief justice could only estimate 36,000 dead. Other estimates go between 100,000 to 200,000 killed. To contrast the two claims is not to demean the gravity of the catastrophe by cold statistics. Every human life is sacred. Every human being’s dignity is sacrosanct. Any violation of either is reprehensible.<br /><br />Some atrocities by Pakistani troops did take place. Several eye-witness accounts state that the targets were almost always adult males, that women and children were spared. The killings were not one-sided. Many thousands of non-Bengalis and West Pakistanis, including women and children, were brutally slaughtered by Bengalis between 1st March and March 26, 1971, and subsequently as well, as also after December 16, 1971. About 4,000 Pakistani troops also perished in the conflict.<br /><br />The need to revisit this facet of history to conclusively establish the truth is superbly highlighted by the meticulous research recorded by a scholar who is neither a Pakistani nor a Bangladeshi. In her unusually sensitive and remarkably balanced book, Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, Sarmila Bose — an Indian Bengali Hindu by birth, a senior Research Fellow at Oxford University — powerfully and persuasively presents the case for a rigorous, evidence-based search for the truth.</i><br /><br />http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\12\17\story_17-12-2011_pg3_5Riaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848640164815342479.post-55483399263799390352011-11-24T22:26:01.371-08:002011-11-24T22:26:01.371-08:00Here's an AFP story on Bangladesh war trial ig...Here's an <a href="http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/23/bangladesh-war-trial-sparks-rival-calls-for-justice.html" rel="nofollow">AFP story</a> on Bangladesh war trial ignoring Bihari killings by Bengali Nationalists in 1971:<br /><br /><i>DHAKA: Suspects accused of collaborating with Pakistani forces in Bangladesh’s war of independence are now on trial, but claims of appalling crimes are also tarnishing the “heroes” of that bloody struggle.<br /><br />Migrant families who moved to what was then East Pakistan after the subcontinent was partitioned in 1947 say they were targeted as outsiders during the 1971 fight to become the independent nation of Bangladesh.<br /><br />Thrown out of their homes and often murdered during the country’s bloody birth, they believe their suffering at the hands of native Bengalis has been forgotten as Bangladesh focuses instead on alleged collaborators with Pakistan.<br /><br />The day after Bangladesh declared independence from Pakistan on December 16, 1971, Sairun Nesa survived a massacre in which 15 of her family – including her husband, son and daughter – were killed by “freedom fighters”.<br /><br />As one of tens of thousands of Urdu-speaking Muslims who had migrated to East Pakistan, Nesa said she and her family were rejected by those fighting to establish independent Bangladesh.<br /><br />“We were stripped naked at gun-point. Bangladeshi fighters herded us onto the bank of a river. Then they slaughtered us one after another with machetes and knives,” she said.<br /><br />“With a knife one of them gouged out my right eye and stabbed me several times in the chest,” she said, adding that she was left for dead in a pile of bodies in Goalonda, a small town west of Dhaka.<br /><br />Bangladesh’s government says up to three million people were killed and hundreds of thousands of women raped during the savage nine-month battle for independence.<br />-------<br />But the separate attacks carried out by Bengalis against Nesa and other “Biharis” – the migrants who had left India for East Pakistan – remain a hidden crime, experts say.<br /><br />Even well-documented killings of Biharis have never been investigated, much less brought to trial.<br /><br />“Everyone talks about the killings of Bengalis (by the Pakistani army) in 1971. But none dares to mention the pogroms that were carried out against Biharis,” said Ezaz Ahmed Siddiqui, a prominent Bihari community leader.<br /><br />“We estimate that hundreds of thousands of Biharis were killed. In (northwestern) Santahar town alone, several thousand were killed in a matter of days,” Siddiqui told AFP.<br /><br />After the war, Biharis were not granted citizenship rights in newly independent Bangladesh, lost their property and social status, and were forced to live in refugee camps under UN protection – where many remain to this day.<br /><br />For decades, Bangladeshi historians and authors have downplayed the Bihari killings, casting them as isolated instances of mob violence.<br /><br />“We agree some Urdu-speaking people were killed in isolated riot-like incidents,” Mofidul Hoque, a trustee of Bangladesh’s Liberation War Museum, said.<br /><br />“But it was not a systematic or state-sponsored genocide like what the Pakistani soldiers did to Bengalis,” he said.<br /><br />A new wave of academics is trying to shed light on the killings, with Oxford University researcher Sarmila Bose’s 2011 book, “Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War” leading the way.<br /><br />Bose argues that Bangladesh authorities are in a “state of denial” about the murder of Biharis.<br /><br />“The nature and scale of atrocities committed by the ‘nationalist’ side had been edited out of the dominant narrative,” she wrote after her book was heavily criticised in Bangladesh.<br /><br />Ishrat Ferdousi, who recently finished a book on the 1971 atrocities, said attacks on Biharis could be seen as “genocide”.<br /><br />“I saw at least a hundred Bihari children had been killed, their bodies were floating in the Rupsha river. Some (Bengalis) even boarded boats with machetes to hunt for any Biharis who had survived,” he told AFP......</i><br /><br />http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/23/bangladesh-war-trial-sparks-rival-calls-for-justice.htmlRiaz Haqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00522781692886598586noreply@blogger.com